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[00:00:49]

>> CHAIR COULTER:

[A. Call to Order - 7:00 pm]

SUR. THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 14TH MEETING WERE APPROVED AS PRESENTED FOR APPROVAL.

THEY WERE DISTRIBUTED TO COMMENTS OR MODIFICATIONS DO I HAVE A MOTION TO PPROVE. MR. FOUST MOVES TO APPROVE

[1. Deck/Picnic Shelter – 1900 W. Dublin-Granville Rd. (Jack Rosen/Perez) AR 23-2020]

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DROP OFF PRETTY QU QUICKLY IN E BACK YARD TO A RAVINE.

THIS IS THE HOUSE KIND OF HIDDEN FROM THE ROAD.

PREVIOUSLY, THE HOMEOWNER GOT APPROVAL TO PUT THIS FENCE IN AROUND THE REAR YARD. THIS IS JUST THE LEVEL PORTION OF THE YARD. IT DROPS OFF TO THE RAVINE BELOW. WHAT THE OWNER WOULD NOW LIKE TO DO IS CONSTRUCT A PICNIC SHELTER IN THIS LOCATION ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE. THEY ARE ROPOSED AN 18 Y 14-FOOT STRUCTURE. AND YOU CAN SEE THE GRADE A BIT ON THIS AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH. TIMBER TECH IS THE MATERIAL PROPOSED FOR THE DECKING. AND WOOD FOR THE FRAMING.

THIS IS A PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH STEPS COMING DOWN. AND THIS IS THE LOCATION IN THIS BACK CORNER OF THE YARD. WE HAD A LETTER FROM ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.

AND OTHER THAN THAT, WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANY CONCERNED.

AND DUE TO THE NATURE OF THIS PROPERTY AND THIS LOCATION, STAFF DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS EITHER.

>> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY. THANK YOU.

IS OUR APPLICANT ONLINE TONIGHT? >> YES.

THIS IS MR. PEREZ, I'M HERE. >> CHAIR COULTER: COULD YOU

BE SWORN IN BY MRS. BITAR? >> SURE.

>> THANK YOU. >> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO ADD TO THE PRESENTATION THIS

EVENING? >> NO, I DON'T, I APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION. I THINK THE CONTRACTOR ZACK ROSEN IF THERE ARE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. -- JACK ROSEN.

>> CHAIR COULTER: BOARD MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF YOU DO, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME WHEN YOU START TO SPEAK? TOM REIS, NO COMMENT, I THINK

IT'S FINE. >> D. FOUST: DAVE FOUST, IT'S FAR ENOUGH OFF THE ROAD, I DON'T THINK IT AFFECTS THE

ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW DISTRICT. >> CHAIR COULTER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS FOR PROVIDING PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS EVENING, YOU CAN EMAIL OR CALL THE NUMBER ON THE SCREEN. WE WILL TAKE ABOUT A MINUTE AND A HALF TIME OUT TO GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO EITHER CALL IN OR TO LOG IN AND PUT ANY QUESTIONS FORWARD.

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>> CHAIR COULTER: MR. BROWN, HAVE WE HAD ANY EMAILS OR HAS

ANYBODY CALLED IN? >> NO, SIR, THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED FROM THE NEIGHBORS, MR. AND MRS. BROWN THAT RESIDE ON DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD.

>> CHAIR COULTER: THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER BOARD BOARD MEMBERS WHO WANT TO MAKE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS?

IF NOT, I ASK FOR A MOTION. >> VICE-CHAIR REIS: MR. CHAIR, THIS TOM REIS, I OVE ON BEHALF OF PEREZ FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD A DE DECK/PICNIC SHELTER AR23-2020, DRAWINGS AR23-2020, BE APPROVED BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS AND A STAFF MEMO AND PRESENTED AT THE MEETING.

>> CHAIR COULTER: KIND OF -- CAN I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE?

SCHUSTER. >> R. SCHUSTER: SECOND.

>> CHAIR COULTER: THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MR. REIS, SECONDED BY MR. SCHUSTER. CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?

[2. Fence Modifications – 541 Oxford St. (1150 Alum Creek LLC) AR 24-2020]

>> S. HINZ: YES. >> R. SCHUSTER:

>> ONE MORE TIME FOR MR. HOFMANN.

OKAY. MR. REIS?

>> VICE-CHAIR REIS: YES. >> CHAIR COULTER: I MR. COULTER.

>> CHAIR COULTER: YES, IT'S PASSED, THANK YOU.

NEXT NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS AR AR24-2020.

AND IT'S MODIFICATIONS TO AN EXISTING FENCE AT 541 OXFORD STREET. MRS. BITAR.

>> THIS PROPERTY IS ON A CORNER LOT.

AND THE BACK YARD IS FENCED IN. THAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 1991. THE NEW OWNER FELT THAT THE FENCE NEEDED REFURBISHED. INSTEAD OF IT LOOKING LIKE IT DID IN THIS APPROVAL, OR EVEN HERE WHICH IS WHERE THE GATES WERE BEFORE THAT LOOKED. IT NOW HAS A LOOK OF A SHADOW BOX FENCE, WHICH OF COURSE IS A MUCH MORE SOLID STYLE.

IT SEEMS THAT THE PLANKS ARE WIDER MAYBE.

BUT AT LEAST THEY ARE OFFSET IN THE REAR.

SO IT GIVES A LOOK OF A MORE SOLID FENCE.

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HE SAYS HE WAS JUST TRYING TO FIX IT.

SO HE ADDED PICKETS ON THE INSIDE OF THIS FENCE.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MATCH WHAT WAS APPROVED BEFORE.

AND DOES NOT MATCH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW DISTRICT. THIS -- ON THE SOUTHSIDE OF THIS PROPERTY, A VARIANCE WAS GRANTED TO HAVE THE FENCE ALONG HERE BACK BEHIND THIS HEDGE. AND IT HAS BEEN POINTED OUT YOU WASN'T SEE IT BECAUSE OF THE HEDGE.

I THINK WE'VE ALL SEEN CASES WHERE HEDGES CAN DISAPPEAR OVER THE YEARS. SO WE FEEL THE FENCE BEHIND IT NEEDS TO MEET THE CHARACTER EITHER OF WHAT WAS APPROVED BEFORE OR BE IN LINE WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES BEING A MORE OPEN STYLE FENCE. THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH DIDN'T OBJECT TO IT. BUT STILL, THIS STYLE OF FENCE IS NOT WHAT IS APPROVED OR IS WHAT THE BOARD TYPICALLY ALLOWS IN THE DISTRICT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> CHAIR COULTER: DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT ONLINE WITH US

TONIGHT? >> HOMEOWNER IS ONLINE.

>> CHAIR COULTER: COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS SO THAT MRS. BITAR CAN SWEAR YOU IN?

>> MATTHEW PASTOR NACK, ADDRESS 541 OXFORD STREET.

>> PLEASE RAISE OUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR THAT YOUR ESTIMONY

THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL? >> I DO.

>> THANK YOU. >> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO MRS. BITAR'S PRESENTATION?

>> YES, I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST THANK YOU TO THE BOARD.

I'VE BEEN A HOMEOWNER AND A RESIDENT OF WORTHINGTON NOW FOR SIX DAYS. AND WANT TO SAY THAT THE APPRECIATION OF THIS COMMITTEE AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD IS THE PRIMARY REASON WE RELOCATED TO WORTHINGTON.

I'VE BEEN IN THE HOUSE FOR SIX DAYS.

I PURCHASED IT WITH THE FENCE IN THIS CONDITION.

AND SO THAT'S ALL I WOULD HAVE TO SAY IS APPRECIATE THE ATTENTION TO DETAIL. THE HOUSE, OBVIOUSLY, WITHOUT REALLY KNOWLEDGE OF THE

CONTRACT. >> CHAIR COULTER: WAS THE FENCE AS WE SEE IT IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS, WAS THAT LIKE THAT BEFORE YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE SO YOU BOUGHT IT IN THAT CONDITION?

>> CORRECT. CORRECT.

I BOUGHT IT IN THAT CONDITION. >> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I HAVE NO INTENTION OF TAKING DOWN THOSE HEDGES.

I PLAN TO MAINTAIN THEM AND KEEP THEM AS LONG AS I LIVE IN THIS HOUSE. THAT'S MY INTENT.

>> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY. BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, STATE YOUR NAME BEFORE YOU START

SPEAKING. >> VICE-CHAIR REIS: THIS IS TOM REIS, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO THE OWNER WAS PRIOR TO YOU PURCHASING THE HOUSE AND IF THAT OWNER HAD KNOWLEDGE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE DISTRICT FOR FENCING.

>> I HAVE MAYBE THE LLC OF THE PREVIOUS OWNER.

BUT I CAN'T SPEAK TO THEIR INTENT.

>> TOM, AS I LOOK AT THE APPLICATION, I BELIEVE ASSIGNED BY JOE MAZZA. AND HE CERTAINLY KNOWS THE

REQUIREMENTS THAT E HAVE. >> VICE-CHAIR REIS: THIS IS TOM REIS. JOEL HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF US BEFORE WITH A MAYA COPA AND HE CERTAINLY KNOWS THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND I THINK HE SHOULD HAVE COME TO US EFORE HE DID ANYTHING. AND ASKED US FOR APPROVAL OF A FENCE DESIGN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

>> CHAIR COULTER: ARE THERE ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAVE

QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> D. FOUST: THIS IS DAVE FOUST.

I WOULD COMMENT I THINK THE ONLY PLACE WE HAVE TYPICALLY APPROVED BOARD ON BOARD R SOLID LOOKING FENCES ARE WHERE WE HAVE A RESIDENCE ABUTTING A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

AND THEN IN ORDER TO SCREEN OUT HEADLIGHTS, TRASH, NOISE, ET

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CETERA. WE'VE ALLOWED THAT. THE PICTURE THAT LYNDA SHOWED OF THE GATES, SHOWED FAIRLY WIDE SPACING BETWEEN THE PICKETS, THE ORIGINAL GATE FROM BEFORE. WHICH YEAH, I DON'T SEE THAT IN THE REST OF THE FENCE ON EITHER SIDE OF IT.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, HAS MOST OF THE FENCING BEEN REPLACED ON BOTH SIDES? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT LOOKS

LIKE THAT. >> FROM THE HOMEOWNER'S POINT OF VIEW, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ENTIRE FENCE HAS BEEN REPLACED OR UPDATED WITH THE CEDAR PLANKING, FROM MY OBSERVATION, IT MARCHED THE PICKET WITH THE ADDITION FENCE.

AND AGAIN, BEEN IN THE HOUSE, NOT EVEN MOVED INTO THIS HOUSE BUT HAVE BEEN THERE NUMEROUS TIMES THROUGHOUT THE LAST SIX DAYS. AND THAT'S MY OBSERVATION.

>> D. FOUST: THIS IS DAVE FOUST AGAIN.

WITHOUT HAVING A SPECIAL VARIANCE FOR SPACING, I THINK OUR GUIDELINES IN THE PAST OR IN WRITING INDICATE THAT THE OPEN SPACE HAS TO ACCOUNT FOR 50% OF WHAT YOU SEE EVEN IF YOU ARE DOING A PICKET FENCE ITH PICKETS ON ONE SIDE.

SO IT'S NOT JUST ON BOTH SIDES FORMING A SHADOW BOX FENCE.

SO I'M A LITTLE PERPLEXED BY WHAT I SEE.

>> CHAIR COULTER: THIS IS MIKE COULTER.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO A PHOTOGRAPH HOW THE FENCE IS NOW PLEASE? YEAH, RIGHT THERE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M WONDERING WITHOUT UNNECESSARILY PUNISHING IT NEW HOMEOWNERS SINCE IT WAS LIKE THAT WHEN HE BOUGHT IT.

AND HE'S KIND OF BEING THROWN UNDER THE BUS ON THIS THING.

WHAT ARE ANYBODY'S THOUGHTS IF WE TOOK THE BOARDS ON THE INSIDE OF THE FENCE OFF AND LEFT THE BOARDS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE WHERE THEY ARE. IT'S NOT IDEAL.

IS IT A COMPROMISE PEOPLE THINK THEY COULD AGREE WITH? IS TOM REIS. I WOULD BE WILLING TO COMPROMISE ON THAT. ALTHOUGH, I THINK WE SOMEHOW NEED TO GET THE ORIGINAL BUYER AND LET HIM KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONDONE THIS ANY FURTHER FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE.

I GUESS I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU TO REMOVE THE BACKSIDE PANELS AND LEAVE IT MORE OPEN, MORE IN LINE WITH THE GUIDELINES.

>> R. SCHUSTER: RICK SCHUSTER. QUESTION OF THE HOMEOWNER, YOU INDICATED YOU WEREN'T AWARE OF THE FENCE UNTIL RECENTLY.

FROM WHO DID YOU RECEIVE HAT INFORMATION?

>> I'M SORRY. THERE WAS AN ECHO ON THAT.

COULD YOU PLEASE REPEAT THAT? >> R. SCHUSTER: SURE AYOU INDICATED YOU RECENTLY RECEIVED INFORMATION WITH THE ISSUE REGARDING THE FENCE. DID THAT INFORMATION COME FROM

THE PRIOR OWNER? >> YES, SO THE INFORMATION I RECEIVED WAS I THINK A DAY OR TWO BEFORE CLOSING, WHICH WAS LAST FRIDAY FROM MY REALTOR LETTING US KNOW.

WE SAW THE SIGN IN OUR FRONT YARD, OR SOON TO BE FRONT YARD.

AND DID GET NOTIFIED THIS FENCE WAS NOW UNDER REVIEW.

AND WILL BE UNDER REVIEW ONCE I AM THE OWNER.

THAT'S WHEN WHERE I WAS MADE AWARE.

>> R. SCHUSTER: WAS THERE ANYTHING IN THE PURCHASE CONTRACT THAT MADE THE PRIOR OWNER POTENTIALLY LIABLE FOR ANY

CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE? >> PART OF THE CONTRACT WAS TO PUT THE ONUS ON THE NEW HOMEOWNER.

I DIDN'T HAVE MUCH DETAIL OTHER THAN THE FENCE WAS IN QUESTION.

IT WAS COMMUNICATED MYSELF AS THE NEW HOMEOWNER WOULD TACKLE ANY REMEDIES. I WAS UNFAMILIAR WITH WORTHINGTON'S CODE SPECIFICALLY AROUND FENCES.

BUT THAT IS WHAT WAS COMMUNICATED BACK TO IN CLOSING.

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>> R. SCHUSTER: THANK YOU. >> CHAIR COULTER: THIS IS MIKE COULTER AGAIN. AS LOOK AT THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT'S IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY, I'M LOOKING AT THE GRAY FENCE THAT IS ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE NEW FENCE.

THAT'S BACK IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE IN THE RED.

PRETTY MUCH WHERE THE CURSOR IS. >> MR. COULTER, LET ME SEE IF I CAN EXPLAIN WHAT IS UT THERE A LITTLE BETTER.

THAT IS ON THE OUTSIDE. THE OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE LOOKS SIMILAR TO THAT. AND THE NEW PICK PICKETS ARE MAINLY ON THE INSIDE OF THE FENCE.

TO SHORE IT UP. THE OUTSIDE STILL HAS THESE PICKETS AND THE INSIDE HAS NEW PICKETS.

THE SPACING I THINK ON THE ORIGINAL PACKETS WAS WIDER THAN WHAT IS ON THE INSIDE OF THE NEWER PICKETS.

SWITCHING THEM WOULDN'T PROBABLY WORK.

I THINK THEY MIGHT BE EVEN WIDER PIECES OF WOOD.

ON THE ATES THAT ARE AT THE FRONT CORNER OR AT THE CORNERS OF THE HOUSE, IT'S JUST ALL NEW. BUT FOR THE REST OF THE FENCE, IT'S GOT THIS, THE OLD ON THE OUTSIDE AND THE NEW ON THE

INSIDE. >> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

>> SURE. >> CHAIR COULTER: OTHER BOARD MEMBERS? OKAY.

WITH THAT -- GO AHEAD. >> VICE-CHAIR REIS: MIKE, THIS IS TOM. LINDSEY'S COMMENTS MAKE ME FEEL THE BOARDS WERE ADDED ON THE INSIDE TO MAKE THE FENCE STRUCTURALLY STABLE. IS THAT WHAT I AM TO UNDERSTAND,

LYNDA? >> THAT'S WHAT THE PREVIOUS OWNER SEEMED TO EXPRESS TO US WHEN ASKED.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S TOTALLY TRUE.

ALTHOUGH, IN A COUPLE OF THE PICTURES IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE THE FENCE OLDER FENCE WAS BENDING OUT A LITTLE.

>> VICE-CHAIR REIS: OKAY. >> SECRETARY HOLCOMBE: THIS IS KATHY HOLCOMBE. LYNDA, ARE YOU SAYING THE FENCE

IS MOSTLY OLD THEN? >> THE STRUCTURE OR THE PICKETS ON THE OUTSIDE AT LEAST AND SOME OF THE POSTS ARE OLD.

I THINK THEY PUT NEW RUNNERS ON THE INSIDE AND THEN THE PICKETS ON THE INSIDE ARE NEW. AND THEN THERE ARE THE GATES THAT ARE JUST TOTALLY NEW ON BOTH SIDES.

>> SECRETARY HOLCOMBE: THE PICKETS ON THE OUTSIDE ARE WHAT WE HAD, THAT WAS APPROVED IN 1991, CORRECT?

>> RIGHT. IF HE HAD JUST REPLACED THAT EXACTLY LIKE IT WAS APPROVED, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE.

IT WOULD HAVE NEEDED TO COME TO THE OARD.

HOWEVER, THIS CHANGE IS NOT WHAT WAS APPROVED.

>> SECRETARY HOLCOMBE: I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE IT WHAT IS IN

THE DISTRICT. >> CHAIR COULTER: I UNDERSTAND MR. MAZA, WHO IS THE APPLICANT IS ON THE PHONE.

MR. MASSA, WOULD YOU PLEASE UNMUTE YOUR PHONE, GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND BE SWORN IN?

>> YES, I'M HERE. >> PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU SWEAR THAT YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL?

>> YES, I DO. >> THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR COULTER: CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD PLEASE?

>> JOEL MAZZA. >> CHAIR COULTER: ALL RIGHT, YOU HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF US ANY NUMBER OF TIMES IN THE PAST.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE LOGIC OF WHAT YOU DID, WHY YOU DID IT AND WHY YOU DIDN'T COME IN FRONT OF THE BOARD?

>> WHEN I REBUILT THE EXISTING FENCE, IT WAS IN VERY BAD CONDITION. FROM 1991.

WHAT I TRIED TO DO IS USE ALL THE EXISTING POSTS, WHICH I DID

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EXCEPT WERE ONE. AND ALL I WAS TRYING TO DO WAS REALIGN THE INSIDE OF THE FENCE TO SECURE IT.

BECAUSE MOST OF THE FENCE IS BEHIND SHRUBS.

WHEN I TALKED TO THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, THE OUTSIDE OF HIS FENCE WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE BEHIND THE HEDGES. AND THERE IS A FENCE THAT GOES ALONG THE BACK ALLEY THAT MATCHED HIS FENCE ALSO.

SO IN DISCUSSIONS, I MATCHED THAT FENCE THAT WAS BETWEEN SLATE'S PROPERTY AND MY PROPERTY.

I REBUILT THE GATES. AND THEN I DID SHADOW BOX THE FRONT GATES. BECAUSE I WAS USING ALL THE SAME POSTS AND I WAS MATCHING THE PROPERTY BETWEEN THE SLATE'S PROPERTY AND MINE WITH THE SAME PICKETS, I THOUGHT IT WOULD

BE FINE. >> R. SCHUSTER: THIS IS RICK SCHUSTER. I HEARD YOU, I GUESS, YOU KNEW THAT YOU NEEDED TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD.

YOU CHOSE NOT TO DO SO AND YOU KNEW THE RISK YOU WERE RUNNING.

QUITE HONESTLY 'M DISAPPOINTED YOU CODES TO GO AHEAD AND CHANGE MAKES WHICH YOU HAD BEEN BEFORE THIS BOARD BEFORE.

I'M SORRY FOR THE NEW OWNER. BUT YOU CHOSE TO RUN A RISK AND THAT RISK MAY NOT HAVE PAID OFF. I'M WITH KATHY.

AND I THINK THE FENCE OUGHT TO REFLECT WHAT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA AND WITHIN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.

>> MICHAEL, YOU ARE MUTED IF YOU ARE SPEAKING.

>> CHAIR COULTER: THANK YOU. I WAS TRYING TO AVOID THE FEEDBACK. ALL RIGHT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER SAID WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? NOT HEARING ANY, WE WILL TAKE A MINUTE AND A HALF TO ALLOW ANYBODY WHO MAY WANT TO PHONE IN OR SEND IN AN EMAIL ND MAKE A COMMENT.

THOSE ONLINE YOU CAN EMAIL AT PLANNING AT WORTHINGTON DOROTHY.ORG OR 15672490063 AND ENTER THE CONFERENCE ID347008362 AND THE POUND KEY. ONCE YOU CALL IN, HIT STAR 6 AND

YOU CAN BE UNMUTED. >> THE ONLY REMAIL WE RECEIVED FROM THE NEIGHBOR TO THE IN ORDER, MR. REBBIC, STATING THEIR SUPPORT THAT WAS EMAILED OUT TO THE BOARD.

>> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY. BOARD MEMBERS, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? NOT HEARING ANY, COULD I PLEASE

HAVE A MOTION. >> VICE-CHAIR REIS: MR. CHAIR, THIS IS TOM REIS. I MOVE THE REQUEST ALUM CREEK ROAD LLC FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO LEAVE FENCE MODIFICATIONS INTACT AT 541 OXFORD STREET AS PER CASE

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AR24-2020. DRAWINGINGS AR24-2020.

DATED MAY 4, 2020. APPROVED BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS IN THE STAFF MEMO AND PRESENTED AT THE

MEETING. >> CHAIR COULTER: DO I HAVE A

SECOND? >> D. FOUST: MR. FOUST WHERE A

SECOND. >> I DO HAVE ONE ITEM OF CLARIFICATION. THE WAY THE MOTION IS RITTEN, A YES VOTE WOULD BE TO KEEP THE PICKETS ON THE INTERIOR, AND NO VOTE NEEDS TO BE PUT BACK TO THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL FROM 1991.

JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS UNDERSTOOD.

>> CHAIR COULTER: THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

>> CHAIR COULTER: IT WAS MOVED BY MR. REIS, SECONDED BY MR. FOUST. CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?

>> MR. HOFMANN? ED? I THINK YOU ARE STILL MUTED. OKAY.

OKAY. CAN WE TAKE A VISUAL.

>> SECRETARY HOLCOMBE: NO, BECAUSE I FEEL IT IS MODIFIED TO

>> S. HINZ. >> S. HINZ: NO.

>> D. FOUST: NO. >> TOM, YOU ARE MUTED.

[3. Sign – 7176 N. High St. (Amanda Hanna/Starbucks) AR 25-2020]

>> VICE-CHAIR REIS: NO. AND I THINK THE OWNER SHOULD TAKE THIS UP WITH THE HOME HE PURCHASED IT ROM.

AND IT EEDS TO FOLLOW THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.

>> AND MR. COULTER. >> CHAIR COULTER: NO, I BELIEVE THE FENCE NEEDS TO BE RESTORED TO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.

THAT MEANS THIS APPLICATION HAS FAILED.

AND IF THE HOMEOWNER WANTS TO TAKE IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN GUIDELINES, THEY CAN. ANY OTHER OPTIONS THEY NEED TO TALK TO CITY STAFF. MOVING ONTO THE THIRD APPLICATION THIS EVENING. IT'S APPLICATION AR25-2020.

IT'S FOR SIGNAGE AT 7176 NORTH HIGH STREET.

MS. BITAR. >> THIS IS THE WALL SIGN FOR STARBUCKS. THERE WAS A MISTAKE IN THE MEMO THAT SAID IMMEDDA DENT WAS THERE AND IT'S NOT.

THE OTHER THING I NOTICED WHEN TAKING PICTURES IS THE THE SIGN THAT WAS STARBUCKS COFFEE WITH DRIVE-THRU AT THE BOTTOM WAS CHANGED TO JUST STARBUCKS AND DRIVE-THRU.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WAS APPROVED.

BUT IT'S -- IT WAS A MINOR CHANGE.

THIS IS RELATIVELY MINOR TOO. BUT THIS NEEDS TO GET APPROVAL.

STARBUCKS WOULD BE IN WHITE LETTERS WITH BLACK RETURNS.

AND THE DRIVE-THRU WOULD BE AS WELL.

AND UST SHIFTED DOWNWARD A BIT. IT'S A SIMPLE CHANGE AT THIS POINT. AND STAFF DIDN'T HAVE ANY

CONCERNS. >> CHAIR COULTER: THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT ON THE LINE WITH US THIS EVENING?

>> AMANDA HANNA. >> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY.

COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR ADDRESS SO MRS. BITAR CAN SWEAR

YOU IN? >> YES, 7176 NORTH HIGH TREET.

>> PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR THAT YOUR TESTIMONY

THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL? >> YES.

>> THANK YOU. >> CHAIR COULTER: AMANDA, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CARE TO ADD TO MRS. BITAR'S PRESENTATION?

>> NO. >> CHAIR COULTER: KEEP T SHORT AND SWEET. BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU HAVE ANY

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QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FIRST. I'M NOT HEARING ANY COMMENTS SO WE'LL HAVE TWO OPTIONS FOR PROVIDING PUBLIC COMMENT.

YOU CAN EMAIL THEM IN. IF WE CAN GET THAT SLIDE PUT BACK UP. THERE WE GO.

THANK YOU. AT PLANNING@WORTHINGTON ORG OR CALL AT 156-724-90063 AND ENTER 347008362 AND HIT THE POUND KEY AND OUR CLOCK IS UP ND RUNNING. WE HAD ABOUT A MINUTES AND A HALF. HAVE WE HAD ANY EMAILS OR PHONE

CALLS? >> WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY EMAILS AND/OR PHONE CALLS RELATED TO THIS APPLICATION AT

THIS TIME. >> CHAIR COULTER: I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR MRS. BITAR. AND THIS NEW SIGN, ARE THERE ANY ISSUES WITH THE SIZE OF IT IN REGARDS TO HOW MUCH THEY ARE

ALLOWED TO HAVE? >> NO, SIR.

>> CHAIR COULTER: I DIDN'T THINK SO BUT THANK YOU.

BOARD MEMBERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF THERE AREN'T, CAN I PLEASE HAVE A MOTION?

>> VICE-CHAIR REIS: MR. CHAIR, THIS IS TOM REIS, I MOVE THE REQUEST BY AMANDA HANNA ON BEHALF OF STARBUCKS FOR APPROVAL OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND CHANGE THE WALL SIGN AT 7176 NORTH HIGH AS PER CASE NUMBER AR25-2020.

DRAWINGINGS AR25-2020. DATED MAY 1ST, 2020.

BE APPROVED BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF FACT IN CONCLUSION IN THE STAFF MEMO AND PRESENTED AT THE MEETING.

>> CHAIR COULTER: CAN I HAVE A SECOND?

>> I SECOND IT. >> CHAIR COULTER: WHO.

>> SECRETARY HOLCOMBE: KATHY HOLCOMBE.

>> CHAIR COULTER: MOVED BE MR. REIS, SECONDED BY MRS. HOLCOMBE.

CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?

>> E. HOFMANN: YES, I CAN HEAR YOU?

>> YES, PERFECT. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR COULTER: WELCOME BACK, ED.

>> D. FOUST: YES. >> R. SCHUSTER: YES.

>> S. HINZ: YES. >> SECRETARY HOLCOMBE: YES.

>> VICE-CHAIR REIS: YES. >> CHAIR COULTER: YES.

IT'S PASSED. THANK YOU.

[4. Sign – 890 High St., Suite A. (Clarkson Eyecare) AR 26-2020]

NEXT APPLICATION THIS EVENING IS APPLICATION AR26-2020.

FOR SIGNAGE AS80 HIGH STREET SUITE A.

>> THIS IS THE OUTHERN MOST BUILDING SOUTH OF CVS.

AND IT IS FULL NOW WITH THIS LATEST TENANTS, CLARKSON EYECARE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GO IN THIS SPACE AT THE NORTHERN END OF THE BUILDING. THIS IS WHAT'S PROPOSED FOR THE SIGN, WHICH IS IN KEEPING WITH THE OTHER SIGNS.

THE ONLY THING THAT STAFF SUGGESTS IS THAT THE LOGO HAVE SOME TEXTURE TO IT. SO IT WOULD BE ROUTED IN SOME WAY OR JUST MADE IN A WAY THAT IT HAS SOME TEXTURES, NOT JUST A FLAT SURFACE. OTHER THAN THAT, WE FEEL THIS IS

APPROPRIATE FOR THE BUILDING. >> CHAIR COULTER: THANK YOU.

IS OUR APPLICANT WITH US THIS EVENING?

ANYBODY OUT THERE? >> IF YOU ARE ON FOR THIS APPLICATION, BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR 6 TO UNMUTE YOURSELF.

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NOT THERE. >> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY.

I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY SIMPLE APPLICATION.

I WOULD LIKE TO GO FORWARD WITH IT IF WE CAN.

IF NOBODY OBJECTS. ARE THERE ANY BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OF MRS. BITAR?

>> VICE-CHAIR REIS: THIS IS TOM REIS.

LYNDA, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ROUTEING THE LOGO.

I GUESS I DON'T HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM ITH WHAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED. I'M NOT REAL SURE WHAT YOUR RATIONALE IS FOR ROUTEING THAT LOGO?

>> THE PORCH GROWLER LOGO FOR EXAMPLE HAS THE WHITE IS RAISED FROM THE BACKGROUND. SO IT DOESN'T EVEN NEED TO BE ROUTED. IT CAN BE FORMED AND PAINTED.

JUST SO IT HAS A BIT OF TEXTURE. >> CHAIR COULTER: THIS IS MIKE COULTER. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SIGN, THE LOGO AS THEY WANT TO HAVE IT, IF THE BLUE BACKGROUND WERE ONE LEVEL AND IF THE WHITE -- I EYE, IF IT'S RAISED OR ACRYLIC OR WHATEVER, BY THREE QUARTERS OR AN EIGHT OF AN INCH TO GIVE IT DIMENSIONALITY, YOU WOULD BE GOOD WITH THAT?

>> YES. >> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

>> IF THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE, THEN MAYBE WE CAN MAKE IT SUBJECT TO CITY STAFF'S DIMENSIONS WE APPROVE IT TONIGHT IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

>> CAN YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? >> I'M SAYING IF WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT AND WE MAKE IT SUBJECT TO SOME TEXTURE THAT FINAL TEXTURE SHOULD BE THE CITY STAFF, YOU, COULD BE THE FINAL

APPROVAL OF IT. >> YES.

AND WHEN THEY FILE FOR THE SIGN PERMIT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL THEM, ACTUALLY, I WILL CALL THEM TOMORROW AND TELL THEM.

BUT, YES. >> OKAY.

>> CHAIR COULTER: ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? OKAY, I WILL START THE CLOCK.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAYBE WATCHING OR LISTENING, YOU CAN EMAIL YOUR COMMENTS AT PLANNING@WORTHINGTON .ORG OR PHONE IN AT 1-567-249-0063. AND ENTER CONFERENCE I.

I.D. 347008362-POUND. OKAY, A MINUTE AND A HALF HAS PASSED. MR. BROWN, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY

EMAILS OR PHONE CALLS? >> NO, SIR, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED

ANYTHING YET. >> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY.

BOARD MEMBERS, ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? NOT HEARING ANY, COULD I EMPLOYEES HAVE A -- PLEASE HAVE

A MOTION? >> D. FOUST: MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS DAVID FOUST, I MOVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A WALL SIGN AT 890 HIGH STREET, AR2625-2020,

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AR25-2020, DATED MAY 14, 2020, AND MODIFIED TO SHOW SOME DEGREE OF TEXTURE FOR THE LOGO, SIMILAR TO WHAT'S BEEN DONE ELSEWHERE ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND TO BE REVIEWED BY STAFF FOR FINAL APPROVAL BE APPROVED BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS IN THE STAFF MEMO AS PRESENTED AT THE MEETING.

>> CHAIR COULTER: CAN I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE?

>> SECOND. TOM REIS.

>> CHAIR COULTER: THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MR. FOUST, SECONDED BY MR. REIS, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?

>> S. HINZ: YES. >> SECRETARY HOLCOMBE: YES.

>> E. HOFMANN: MR. BROWN, CAN YOU HEAR ME?

>> I CAN HEAR YOU NOW. >> E. HOFMANN: YES.

>> OKAY, ERFECT. THANK YOU.

>> VICE-CHAIR REIS: YES. >> D. FOUST: YES.

>> CHAIR COULTER: YES. IT HAS PASSED.

THANK YOU. OUR NEXT APPLICATION THIS

[5. Remove and Replace Porch – 594 Hartford St. (RAS Construction/Huffman) AR 28-2020]

EVENING IS APPLICATION AR28-2020.

AND IT'S FOR THE REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT OF A PORCH AT 594 HARTFORD STREET. MRS. BITAR.

>> SO THIS HOUSE HAS HAD QUITE A BIT OF WORK DONE OVER THE YEARS.

AND INCLUDING A MAJOR ADDITION TO THE BACK AND REMOVAL OF A BARN. ADDITION OF A GARAGE THAT IS ATTACHED AND ONE THAT IS DETACHED.

IN 2007, A PORCH WAS ADDED TO THIS HOUSE.

AND JUST LAST WEEK, IT WAS REMOVED.

SO THIS APPROVAL IS FOR REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT.

THE CONTRACTOR REMOVED THE PORCH ALREADY.

WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT, THERE WAS A PORCH ON THE FRONT.

I'M AFRAID THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS FOR A PICTURE.

IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL WHAT THE ROOF STRUCTURE WAS.

IT DOESN'T LOOK FLAT BUT IT SEEMS TO BE PRETTY SHALLOW.

SO S WHEN THE HOMEOWNER AT THE TIME DECIDED TO PUT A NEW PORCH ON, NOT ONLY DID THEY PUT A FLAT ROOF ON IT, BUT EXTENDED OUT TO THE SOUTHSIDE OF THE HOUSE. HERE'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE. AND THIS IS, THESE ARE THE DIMENSIONS. AND THIS IS WHAT HE PORCH LOOKED LIKE THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2007.

SO THAT'S WHAT WAS REMOVED LAST WEEK.

AND THE OWNER WANT TO PUT A NEW PORCH THAT IS ROUGHLY THE SAME FOOTPRINT. BUT WANT TO PUT A ROOF STRUCTURE THAT HAS AN ANGLE TO IT. THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL FOR THIS ROOF STRUCTURE. YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE PROPOSING STANDARDING SEAM METAL ROOFING THAT IS COPPER IN COLOR.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ACTUAL COPPER OR JUST COPPER COLORED.

STAFF FELT THIS WAS AWKWARDLY PLACED.

IT COVERS UP THE TRIM BETWEEN THE FLOORS AND IT HAS NO RELATIONSHIP AT ALL TO THE EXISTING BAY WINDOW.

A SECOND SUBMITTAL WAS SENT IN. THIS HAS MORE OF A HIP TO IT AND A LITTLE BIT SHALLOWER, STILL THE STANDING SAME COPPER.

THE PEAK GOES UP INTO THE TRIM. AND REALLY, AGAIN, THERE IS NOT MUCH RELATIONSHIP WITH THE EXISTING BAY WINDOW.

WE HAVE ANOTHER IT CONFIGURATION CLIPS OFF THAT PEAK OF THE GABLE TO RUN IT RIGHT UP TO THE TRIM HERE.

LOWERS THE CEILING OF THE PORCH ROOF DOWN.

I THINK STAFF FELT THIS WAS A LITTLE BIT BETTER BUT COULD BE

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MORE COMPLEMENTARY TO THE EXISTING HOUSE AND STILL BE FUNCTIONAL FOR THEM WITHOUT BEING A FLAT ROOF.

SOMETHING SHALLOWER SIMILAR TO WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE BAY WINDOW ROOF MIGHT BE AN OPTION. I'M NOT SURE THAT STANDING METAL IS NECESSARY IN THIS LOCATION. BUT WE JUST FELT LIKE IT COULD BE BETTER THAN WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED.

TO GO WITH THIS HOUSE. >> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY.

THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT WITH US

THIS EVENING? >> YES, THIS IS ROB HOFMAN, THE

HOMEOWNER. >> CHAIR COULTER: COULD YOU PLEASE BE SWORN IN BY MRS. BITAR?

>> IF MR. COCHRAN IS ON, WOULD YOU BE SWORN IN AT THE SAME TIME PLEASE? OKAY.

HELLO. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU SWEAR YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL?

>> YES, I DO. >> THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY, ROB, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CARE TO ADD TO MRS. BITAR'S PRESENTATION? I KNOW I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO UNDERSTAND WHY YOU TORE HE OTHER PORCH OFF.

>> YES. SO JUST KIND OF CONTEXT.

AS LYNDA SAID, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF WORK DONE ON THIS HOUSE.

WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN 2011. THERE WERE LOTS OF ISSUES.

WE'VE INVESTED EVEN MORE THAN WE PAID FOR THE HOUSE TO FIX IT UP.

SO WE'VE DONE A LOT. WE FEEL NOW WE'VE PUT LIFE IN IT FOR SEVERAL MORE GENERATIONS. AND E'VE DONE IT IN A WAY THAT IS KIND OF MAINTAINED THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE.

ANY ADDITION, LIKE WE'VE DONE A SLATE ROOF, MAINTAINED THE DUTCH COLONIAL LOOK ON THE STRUCTURES. WE'VE DONE THE COPPER, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE ROOF. WE'VE DONE COPPER GUTTERS EVERYWHERE. THIS WAS THE LAST PROJECT.

SHE MENTIONED THIS WAS DONE IN 2007, I BELIEVE IT WAS A DIY PROJECT. THERE WERE LOTS OF ISSUES AND CORNERS CUT. THAT FLAT ROOF THEY PUT IN HAS BEEN ROTTING AND LEAKING DOWN EVERY POST EVER SINCE THEY PUT IT IN. SO IT'S GOTTEN TO THE POINT OUR STEPS HAVE ROTTED SEVERAL TIMES. I'VE REPLACED THEM.

EVEN THE WOOD UNDERNEATH THE FRONT DOOR TO THE POINT WHERE OUR KIDS WERE TRIPPING OVER IT. AND WE WERE WORRIED SOMEONE WAS GOING TO GET HURT. IT WASN'T A SAFE PLACE.

SO THAT'S WHY IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT PROPOSALS.

I THINK WE'VE COME A LONG WAY. I THINK WE FOLLOWED THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED IN THE PAPER.

WHERE WE'VE NO LONGER COVERS THE TRIM.

IT'S MUCH SHALLOWER THAN IT WAS. I DO HAVE A BETTER PICTURE OF THE ORIGINAL, WHICH WAS A SLANTED ROOF.

AND IT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A SLIGHT SLANT ON THE BAY WINDOW.

WE FEEL IT MATCHES WELL AND WE MADE LOTS OF COMPROMISES TO GET

TO THIS POINT. >> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY.

THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBERS, AS YOU MAKE YOUR COMMENTS, IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

>> E. HOFMANN: IT'S ED HOFFMAN. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE HISTORICAL PHOTO FOR JUST A SECOND? IT'S HARD TO TELL EVEN THE BAY WINDOW BACK THEN.

>> YOU LOOK AT THE GAP UNDER THE WINDOW THAT'S WHERE THE TRIM PIECE IS. IT'S ABOUT AS BIG AS THE TRIM PIECE. IT ESSENTIALLY GOES UP THE SAME

HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED. >> E. HOFMANN: YEAH.

YEAH, I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT THE APPEARANCE OF THE FLAT ROOF. I'M SUGGESTING IT IS A FLAT ROOF. AND WITH MODERN TECHNIQUES AND MODERN FINISHES, THERE IS PROBABLY AN ABILITY TO GET A BIT CLOSER TO THE ESTHETIC WITHOUT SACRIFICING PROTECTION OR WATERPROOFING AND RECREATING THE PROBLEM AGAIN, WHICH I APPRECIATE. I KNOW A LOT OF DIY HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST. I FEEL LIKE I WANT THE COLUMNS TALLER AND PROPORTIONAL. AND I WANT THE PORCH LINE TO BE A BIT TALLER. WITHIN REASON TO BE ABLE TO

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ACCEPT REMOVAL OF WATER. SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM NECESSARILY WITH THE ROOFING MATERIAL.

IT'S A VERY DURABLE MATERIAL. AND ONE I THINK WOULD SHED WATER QUITE WELL. AND WITH MOST MODERN TECHNIQUES NOWADAYS, I THINK YOU COULD ALLOW THE SLOPE TO BE LESS AND ALLOW THE PORCH TO BE TALLER AND THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE FACADE.

>> VICE-CHAIR REIS: THIS IS TOM REIS.

ED, WOULD YOU AGREE THE HEADER OF THE PORCH MIGHT ALIGN MORE WITH THE HEADER OF THE BAY WINDOW?

>> E. HOFMANN: PERHAPS, THE TOP OR MAYBE THE TOP OF THE HEADER.

I THINK RESPECTING THE BELT LINE AT THE SECOND FLOOR IS PROBABLY WORTH DOING FOR SUCH A HANDSOME HOME.

I KNOW MR. FOUST MUST HAVE THINGS TO SAY.

>> D. FOUST: YEAH, ACTUALLY, I HAD A DISCUSSION EARLIER TODAY WITH THE CONTRACTOR. I THINK SHARED MY THOUGHTS WITH THE HOMEOWNER. AND MY BIG CONCERN HERE IS WITH SUPPOSED EXSUPPOSED COPPER. BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, WHICH I THINK IS OUT OF CHARACTER ITH THE AGE AND STYLE OF THE HOUSE IS THAT A LOT OF NEWER HOMES IN SUBDIVISIONS ARE PUTTING ON THIS NARROW STANDING SEAM ROOF IN COPPER OR A METALLIC COLOR. WITH THE DESCRIPTION THAT WE'RE GOING FOR THE COUNTRY FARM HOUSE LOOK.

AND I THINK PROBABLY WHAT WAS ON HERE ORIGINALLY, WHICH HAS BEEN PROBABLY NOT AVAILABLE TODAY, WOULD HAVE BEEN METAL PANELS THAT WERE SOLDERED TOGETHER AND PAINTED A FLAT BLACK OR FLAT GRAY. AND MY THOUGHT WOULD BE SOMETHING VERY CLOSE TO A FLAT ROOF WITH A COUPLE OF INCHESS OF FALL FROM BACK O FRONT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE BUT NOT WITH A COPPER STANDING SEAM. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE WAY THE HOUSE IS CURRENTLY PAINTED WITH THAT TRIM STRIP BELOW THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS, THAT BE NOT ALTERED, NOT COVERED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

MY RECOMMENDATION, WHETHER THIS SHAPE OR PURELY FLAT ROOF, IS IT THE ROOF IS CLOSE TO FLAT SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ON THE BAY WINDOW. CERTAINLY, NOT A MODERN COPPER STANDING SEAM NARROW ROOF LIKE WE SEE HERE.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO DETRACT FROM THE HOUSE BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE STREET, I THINK WHAT YOU WANT TO STAND OUT IS THAT UNIQUE DUTCH COLONIAL SHAPE OF THE HOUSE, THE BAY WINDOW, AND THE FACADE OF THE FRONT OF THE PORCH.

AND NOT HAVE YOUR EYES DRAWN TO THE ROOFING.

I THINK HE ROOFING SHOULD DISAPPEAR INTO THE HOUSE AND NOT BE A KEY VISIBLE ITEM. AND THAT'S WHERE I STAND.

I GUESS, I MIGHT ONLY AS WIDE AS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE BAY WINDOW AND THE END OF THE HOUSE. WE'RE WORKING WITH A BIGGER PORCH HERE, WHICH I'M COMFORTABLE WITH.

I DON'T THINK THE BIGGER PORCH DETRACTS FROM THE LOOK OF THE HOUSE. I'M CERTAINLY AGREEABLE TO THAT.

BUT IT DOES CREATE BEING WIDER, A REQUEST FOR A LITTLE BIT TALLER ROOF, I THINK. WHICH IS PART OF WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH TO MAKE THIS WHOLE THING WORK.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE FLAT OR VERY CLOSE TO FLAT.

AND NOT STANDING SEAM METAL. >> VICE-CHAIR REIS: MR. CHAIR, THIS TOM REIS. I AGREE.

I THINK WE'RE THERE. I THINK E CAN PROBABLY APPROVE THIS WITH MODIFICATIONS TO THE MOTION.

AND HAVE STAFF KIND OF TAKE A PEEK AT IT BEFORE THE CONTRACTOR PUTS HIS FIRST NAIL IN THIS. AND I THINK WE CAN ROBABLY GET

THERE. >> R. SCHUSTER: THIS IS RICK SCHUSTER. I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE HOMEOWNER, HIS REACTION TO THESE COMMENTS.

I AGREE WITH DAVE FOUST AS WELL. IT SEEMS THAT WITHOUT MODIFICATION, THIS MAY NOT PASS. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE HOMEOWNER ABOUT HIS UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WAS SAID

AND HIS COMFORT WITH IT. >> YEAH, SO I'M OPEN TO MODIFICATIONS ON A SLANTED ROOF. LIKE I WOULD -- THERE ARE WAYS TO MAKE THAT ETTER THAT KIND OF MEET, KIND OF SOME OF THE THINGS YOU OUTLINED THAT MAKE SENSE. WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT.

MY WIFE AND I WOULD HAVE ISSUES, A COMPLETELY FLAT ROOF, PARTICULARLY A RUBBER ROOF, IS NOT WHAT WE HAD BEFORE AND SO MANY ISSUES WITH IT. WE HAVE A BIG ELM TREE TO THE

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RIGHT THAT SHEDS LOTS OF LEAVES. IT'S A BIT OF A PROBLEM.

WHEN YOU HAVE A COMPLETELY FLAT ROOF, IT FILLS UP.

IT'S A LEAF TRAP. IF THERE ARE WAYS TO DO IT WITH A DECLINE, WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY SLANTED, YEAH, WE WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT. I JUST DEFINITELY WE'RE ADVERSE TO A FLAT ROOF, PARTICULARLY A RUBBER ROOF.

>> WHAT ABOUT CHANGING FROM THE COPPER?

>> YEAH.

YEAH, YOU NEED MY BETTER HALF ON THAT ONE.

THAT WOULD BE A CHALLENGING ONE. I THINK IF YOU FLATTEN OUT, YOU THROW COPPER ON THE BAY WINDOW, THEN THEY MATCH.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS KATHY HOLCOMBE.

>> SECRETARY HOLCOMBE: I AGREE WITH THE HOMEOWNER.

I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO HAVE A FLAT ROOF.

I THINK IT DEFINITELY NEEDS A SLOPE ON IT BECAUSE IT CREATES PROBLEMS DOWN THE ROAD. ONE THING I WANT TODAY ASK THE HOMEOWNER, WERE YOU PLANNING ON USING REAL COPPER ON THIS?

>> I ASSUMED IT WAS COPPER. THE CONTRACTOR IS ON.

>> THIS IS SHAWN HERE, THE CONTRACTOR.

IT IS AUTHENTIC, IT'S REAL COPPER.

WE ARE NOT USING COPPER PENNY. IT'S ACTUAL COPPER, STANDING

SEAM. >> CHAIR COULTER: THIS IS MIKE COULTER. AS I LOOK AT THIS ELEVATION AND I TRY TO ORK BETWEEN THE COMMENTS BETWEEN MR. HOFMAN, MRI AGREE THAT HE BAND BOARD ON THE PORCH NEEDS TO BE RAISED.

AND I THINK MAKING IT THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE BAY WINDOW IS PROMOTE. THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO CHANGE FROM THE SLOPE FROM A 412 TO A 212.

I'M DOING A COPPER ROOF ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT LIBRARIES RIGHT NOW THAT ARE SOMEWHAT AKIN TO WHAT THE SLOPE WOULD BE.

AND TO MR. FOUST'S POINT, YOU CAN DO COPPER ROOFS THAT HAVE 30-INCH ON-CENTER SEAMS OR EVEN 36-INCH ON-CENTER SEAMS SO THEY ARE NOT AS CLOSE AS WHAT WE HAVE SEEN STANDING SEAM ROOFS ON OTHER BUILDINGS AROUND TOWN. I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THE SEAMS FURTHER APART BECAUSE IT'S MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE BAY WINDOW. I DO LIKE THE RIDGE OF THE ROOF, WHATEVER MATERIAL THAT ENDS P BEING, BEING THE BAND BOARD AT THE SECOND STORY AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WINDOW SILLS.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A REALLY NICE ADDITION FROM WHAT I CAN TELL. THE ACTUAL FOCAL POINT.

I THINK BY RAISING THE BAND BOARD OF THE PORCH, FLATTENING OUT THE ROOF PERHAPS TO 212 PITCH AND USING A WIDER SEAM, COPPER IS GOING TO TURN OVER TIME UNLESS IT'S TREATED.

AND I WOULD SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. IS KIND OF MORE THE COMMENTS FROM MR. FOUST AND MR. SCHUSTER AND MR. HOFMANN.

IS THERE ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A

COMMENT? >> S. HINZ: MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS SUSAN HINZ, I WILL BE RECUSING MYSELF FROM THIS VOTE FOR HAVING A PAST HISTORY WITH THIS CONTRACTOR AND PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM PER THE LAW DIRECTOR'S

ADVICE. >> CHAIR COULTER: THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY.

WITH THAT, WE WILL START THE CLOCK TO ALLOW ANYBODY WHO MAY WANT TO PHONE IN OR EMAIL US.

AND IF YOU ARE EMAILING, PLEASE SEND THAT TO PLANNING@WORTHINGTON.ORG. IF YOU ARE GOING TO CALL IN, CALL -567-249-0063, AND ENTER CONFERENCE I.D. 3 I.D. 347 008 362-POUND. AND IF YOU CALL IN, MAKE SURE YOU HIT THE STAR 6 KEY TO UNMUTE YOURSELF.

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OKAY, WE'VE REACHED A MINUTE AND A HALF.

MR. BROWN, ANY PHONE CALLS OR EMAIL SAID -- EMAILS.

>> WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY CALLS OR EMAILS AT THIS TIME.

>> CHAIR COULTER: BOARD MEMBERS, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?

>> D. FOUST: THIS IS DAVE FOUST. TWO THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADED IS, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, A POSSIBLE APPROVE OF INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THINGS LISTED BY VARIOUS BOARD MEMBERS THIS EVENING, INCLUDING RAISING THE FRONTPHASIA, FLATTENING THE ROOF, NO INTERFERENCE WITH THE BAND BOARD BELOW THE WINDOWS AND GOING TO A WIDER SEAM OR SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE MORE TRADITIONAL ON THE METAL. I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

I WOULD LIKE A LOOK AT IT FROM STAFF IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION.

THE SECOND THING UNRELATED TO THIS SPECIFICALLY.

WE HAVE ONE ANOTHER APPLICANT ON THIS STREET THIS EVENING WHO TORE DOWN OR MODIFIED A FENCE WITHOUT GOING THROUGH PROPER PROCEDURES. AND I WANT TO GO ON RECORD WITH STAFF AND STAFF TRIES TO DO A GOOD JOB TO NOT CHANGE THINGS.

LET'S BE ON RECORD, THIS PORCH SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN REMOVED

PRIOR TO HEARING THIS EVENING. >> CHAIR COULTER: THANK YOU

INTEREST THE COMMENTS. >> THIS IS SHAWN HUFFMAN, THE CONTRACTOR. CAN YOU HEAR ME?

>> CHAIR COULTER: YES. >> THIS IS SHAWN COCHRAN.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU SHAWN.

>> SO MR. FOUST, IN ORDER TO SET THE RECORD CORRECT ON WHAT YOU SAID. I CALLED AND TALKED TO DON PHILLIPS AND ASKED HIM BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION OF THE PORCH, IT WAS DILAPIDATED, AND A SAFETY HAZARD IF I WAS OKAY TO TEAR IT DOWN. I WAS GRANTED THAT REQUEST AS LONG AS I HAD AN APPLICATION FOR A BUILDING PERMIT IN.

AND I HAD AN APPLICATION WITH SO I PRIDE MYSELF ON FOLLOWING THE ROPER CHANNELS. I DID NOT DO WHAT JOE MAZZA DID AND BUILD SOMETHING UNDERHANDED. I HAD THE CONVERSATION BEFORE WE STARTED. THE DAY WE STARTED I HAD AN APPLICATION IN. AND YOU HAD AN APPLICATION.

I WANT TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT I DID FOLLOW PROPER

PROCEDURE. >> D. FOUST: THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. THIS IS DAVE FOUST.

>> IF YOU WOULD LIKE A COPY OF THE APPLICATION NUMBER, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO FORWARD IT ON, DAVE FOUST.

>> D. FOUST: NO. THIS IS DAVE, I TRUST YOU.

THANK YOU. >> AS YOU HEARD EARLIER TONIGHT, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO ABSOLUTELY KNOW ETTER WHO HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF US ANY NUMBER OF TIMES.

>> CHAIR COULTER: AND THEY STILL DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES.

>> MR. COULTER, IN ALL DUE RESPECT, I THINK MY REPRESENTATION PRECEDES E. I DON'T ADVERTISE AND WORK WITH EVERYONE THERE. SORRY, MR. FOUST, IF MY TONE WAS TERSE. I TOOK THAT AS A PERSONAL JAB.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT I ASKED FOR PERMISSION BEFORE I DID THAT. TRUST ME, I'M NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING WAVES. THAT DOESN'T PAY.

>> D. FOUST: THIS IS MR. FOUST. LET ME CLARIFY, IT WAS NOT A PERSONAL JAB. I DIDN'T WENT ANYBODY ELSE COMING BACK TO US AFTER READING THE MINUTES, HOW OME ONE GOT PINNED TO THE WALL FOR MAKING A CHANGE AND SOMEBODY ELSE DIDN'T.

I WANT TO BE ON RECORD TO PROTECT THE ITY THERE.

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SO NO, IT'S NOT PERSONAL. >> THAT'S GOOD.

BUT YES, ALL THE I'S WERE DOTTED AND T'S CROSSED.

>> D. FOUST: THANK YOU. >> CHAIR COULTER: WE'RE GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. MR. BROWN, HAVE YOU GOTTEN

PHONE CALLS OR EMAILS? >> WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY

PHONE CALLS OR EMAILS. >> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY.

HAVE WE DONE THE MINUTE AND A HALF ALREADY?

>> YES. >> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY.

THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER BOARD ME MEMBERS QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT HEARING ANY, CAN I HAVE A

MOTION? >> VICE-CHAIR REIS: MR. CHAIR, TOM REIS. I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT.

I MOVE THAT THE REQUEST BY SHAWN COCHRAN ON BEHALF OF ROB AND TERRA HUFFMAN FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE AND REPLACE THE FRONT PORCH AT 594 HARTFORD STREET.

AND THAT WE FOLLOW THE THIRD DESIGN AS PRESENTED IN GENERAL.

AND THAT THE ROOF LINE BE SHALLOWER AND TO ALIGN WITH THE HEADER OF THE BAY WINDOWS. AND THAT THE METAL ROOF BE OF A WIDER SEAM. AND F A COLOR NOT COPPER.

AND THAT THIS REVISED -- THESE REVISIONS BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY STAFF PRIOR TO ANY CONSTRUCTION.

AS PER CASE NUMBER AR28-2020. DRAWINGS NUMBER AR28-2020.

DATED MAY 15TH, 2020. BE APPROVED BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS IN THE STAFF MEMO AND PRESENTED

AT THE MEETING. >> FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

THAT THE BELT LINE AT THE SECOND FLOOR BE RESPECTED AND THAT I THINK WE ARE OKAY WITH THE AUTHENTIC COPPER MATERIAL.

AS IT WILL WEATHER. AND WILL NOT BE AS PROMINENT GIVEN THE SLOPE WILL BE MUCH LESS.

DID I CAPTURE THAT CORRECTLY FROM WHAT I HEARD

ACROSS-THE-BOARD, I THOUGHT? >> CHAIR COULTER: I THINK SO.

>> YES. >> OKAY.

>> SECOND. >> FRIENDLY AMENDMENT ACCEPTED.

>> SECRETARY HOLCOMBE: THIS IS KATHY HOLCOMBE, I SECOND IT.

>> CHAIR COULTER: MOVED BY MR. REIS, SECONDED BY MRS. HOLCOMBE AS AMENDED. CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?

>> E. HOFMANN: YES. >> D. FOUST: YES.

>> I'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD MS. HINZ IS ABSTAINING.

AND WE HAVE MS. HOLCOMBE. >> SECRETARY HOLCOMBE: YES.

>> VICE-CHAIR REIS: YES. >> MICHAEL, YOU ARE MUTED.

>> CHAIR COULTER: I GOT IT. IT HAS PASSED.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

[6. Pool, Fence, Siding – 184 E. Granville Rd. (Bloch) AR 30-2020]

>> CHAIR COULTER: OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS A APPLICATION AR30-2020. FOR A POOL, FENCE AND SIDING T 184 EAST GRANVILLE ROAD. I UNDERSTAND THERE MAY BE SOME CHANGES IN THE APPLICATION THAT MRS. BITAR WILL GET INTO.

AND WITH THAT, IT'S YOURS. >> SO THE ORIGINAL REQUEST IS FOR OR WAS FOR A SWIMMING POOL AND A FENCE AROUND THE REAR YARD. ALSO, TO LEAVE THE HOUSE WHITE AND PAINT THE GARAGE WHITE TO MATCH.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SHOWN.

THERE WERE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SIZES OF POOL PROPOSED.

AND A SETBACK OF GENERALLY 30 FEET, WHICH SAID REQUIRED FROM THE REAR FOR THE FENCE THAT GOES AROUND.

WITH A POOL A 4-FOOT WOULD BE REQUIRED.

AND THIS IS THE STYLE THAT WAS PROPOSED, BLACK METAL.

AND THIS WOOD PICKET WAS AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WAS SHOWN.

BUT THE BLACK METAL IS PREFERRED.

AND THE POOL WAS TO BE HALF BELOW GRADE AND HALF ABOVE WITH STONE WRAPPING AROUND IT TO LOOK LIKE A LANDSCAPE FEATURE.

SINCE LOOKING AT THE REAR YARD AND THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT POOLS THERE AND KNOWING THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR A LONG TIME, I BELIEVE THE HOMEOWNER NOW IS TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO MITIGATE

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THAT PROBLEM IN THE REAR. AND SHE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW SHE INTENDS TO DO THAT.

AND AT THIS TIME, NOT PROPOSE THE POOL AND JUST LOOK FOR APPROVAL OF THE FENCE AROUND THE REAR YARD.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF AREAS THAT REALLY HAVE PONDING WATER AFTER RAIN. SHE'S -- I KNOW SHE'S THINKING OF RAIN GARDENS AND OTHER VARIOUS THINGS.

BUT THE NEIGHBORS OFTEN TALK ABOUT THIS AREA AS BEING WIDE OPEN. HOWEVER, IT DOESN'T FEEL THAT WAY IN EVERY DIRECTION. BUT I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE SENT IN CORRESPONDENCE AND ARE WAITING TO SPEAK THIS EVENING. I THINK I'LL STOP WITH THAT AND MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN GO MORE INTO WHAT SHE INTENDS TO DO.

>> MICHAEL, YOU ARE MUTED. >> CHAIR COULTER: ALL RIGHT.

IF THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE THIS EVENING, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND BE SWORN IN BY MRS. BITAR?

>> ELLEN BLOCH, 184 EAST DUBLIN-GRANVILLE.

>> LEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR THAT YOUR TESTIMONY

THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL? >> I SURE DO.

>> THANK YOU. >> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY, ELLEN, MRS. BITAR TALKED ABOUT A CUFF DIFFERENT -- COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS YOU REVIEWED WITH ER. ANYTHING TO ADD?

>> FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK THE BOARD AND LYNDA AND LEE FOR ALL THEIR HELP DURING HIS PROCESS.

HAVING RECENTLY BECOME THE HOMEOWNER HERE, IT'S BEEN REALLY EXCITING. WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THE HOME, I IMMEDIATELY SAW ALL THE HARD WORK THE PRIOR OWNERS HAD PUT INTO IMPROVING HE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE.

AND I WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE OPTION THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE TO ME. YOU KNOW, I SPENT HAVING LIVED IN WORTHINGTON, I WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW DISTRICT. I DID MY HOMEWORK.

I LOOKED AT THE PERMIT SAID LISTED ON THE PROPERTY ON THE TAX WEBSITE, ON THE COUNTY AUDITOR'S WEBSITE. REVIEWED THE CITY ORDINANCES AND LOOKED AT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES PUT OUT BY THE ARB. BASED ON THOSE GUIDELINES, I FELT CONFIDENT THE VISION I HAD FOR THE BACK YARD WOULD FALL IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES AND BE ABLE TO HELP KIND OF MAXIMIZE THE PROPERTY EXPERIENCE FOR ME AND THE VALUE OF IT TO THE COMMUNITY. I RELIGIOUSLY OMING IN YOU WILL SEE THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES THE FENCE AND A POOL -- ORIGINALLY -- SINCE LIVING THERE AND SEEING THE RAIN, AND I WAS AWARE OF THE WET SPOTS. BUT SEEING HOW WET THE OVERALL YARD IS, I DO FEEL I NEED TO HOLD OFF ON THE POOL AT THIS TIME. AND FOCUS ON CORRECTING THE DRAINAGE SSUES IN MY YARD. SO AS LYNDA SUGGESTED, SO I'VE BEEN MEETING WITH LANDSCAPERS AND DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS TO WORK ON IDEAS TO ABSORB THE WATER IN MY YARD, NOT DIVERT IT.

I KNOW THAT'S BEEN A BIG CONCERN TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS.

SO I AM WORKING ON SOME DESIGNS TO PUT IN RAIN ARDEN AND RAIN BARRELS TO HELP DEFLECT AND ABSORB THE WATER THAT IS CURRENTLY POOLING IN THE YARD. AS WELL AS EXPLORING DIFFERENT WAYS TO REGRADE OR EXCAVATE THE YARD, SUCH THAT WE CAN LEVEL OUT MY YARD AS WELL AS ENCOURAGE OR -- ENCOURAGE THE WATER TO GO TO RAIN GARDEN OR OTHER FILTRATION, NOT FILTRATION BUT OTHER RAIN COLLECTING STRATEGIES WITHIN THE SPACE.

SO KIND OF GET THE WATER TO GO WHERE WE WANT IT TO GO.

SO AT THIS TIME, I'M ONLY ASKING FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE FENCE.

WHICH I BELIEVE WHAT I HAVE PROPOSED FALLS WITHIN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND I KNOW --

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LEARNED SINCE MOVING INTO THE HOME THAT THE NEIGHBORS IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF PROTESTING THE FENCE.

AS WELL AS JUST OVERALL BEING VERY CRITICAL OF THIS PROPERTY.

I FACED A LONG, LONG, LONG LIST OF ISSUES AND CONCERNS FROM NEIGHBORS AROUND CHANGES THEY FEEL MY PROPERTY REQUIRES.

AND IT'S BEEN QUITE HONESTLY, A LITTLE OVERWHELMING HAVING LIVED HERE FOR JUST TWO WEEKS NOW. BUT I HOPE THAT YOU CAN SEE MY A WAY I CAN USE THIS PROPERTY AS I NEED TO AS THE OWNER OF IT.

AS WELL AS COMPLY WITH DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT ARE SO CRITICAL TO MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF WORTHINGTON.

>> CHAIR COULTER: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU COULD START OUT WITH YOUR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS AND BE SURE TO STATE YOUR NAME.

>> R. SCHUSTER: THIS IS RICK SCHUSTER IN THE REQUEST I SEE ALTERNATIVES WHERE THE FENCE COULD GO.

CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING AT THIS POINT IN

TIME? >> SURE, RICK.

THANK YOU. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'M REQUESTING TO UT THE FENCE FROM THE FRONT OF MY GARAGE ALL THE WAY BACK TO 30-FEET FROM MY REAR PROPERTY LINE.

IF YOU RECALL IN THIS AREA, THERE IS AN ALLEY WAY THAT REQUIRES A 30-FOOT SETBACK. SO I'M NOT REQUESTING TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO MY PROPERTY LINE.

BUT 30-FEET FROM MY REAR PROPERTY LINE.

>> R. SCHUSTER: AND THE FENCE WOULD BE THE METAL, BLACK PICKET KIND OF FENCE THAT LYNDA SHOWED US RIGHT THERE?

>> THAT'S RIGHT. WHICH I BELIEVE IS CONSIST WITH THE COLONIAL REVIVAL STYLE OF MY HOME, THE 1920'S-1930'S STYLE.

AS WELL AS, I KNOW THERE WERE SOME CONCERNED OVER WITH THE WATER ISSUES. WHETHER A WOOD FENCE WOULD BE SUSTAINABLE. OBVIOUSLY, AS A HOMEOWNER, I PRIDE MYSELF ON MAINTAINING MY PROPERTY.

AND I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE ANY TRACK RECORD FOR THAT.

I DO BELIEVE THE METAL FENCE WOULD BE MORE VISUALLY APPEALING. ALIGN WITH THE PROPERTY.

AND ALSO HELP TO THE EXTENT THAT IT TAKES OME TIME TO RESOLVE

THE WATER ISSUES. >> CHAIR COULTER: OTHER BOARD

MEMBERS? >> D. FOUST: THIS IS DAVE FOUST.

A QUESTION FOR STAFF. JUST OCCURRED TO ME IF IN THE FUTURE WE'RE LOOKING AT A POOL BACK HERE, ISN'T THERE SOMETHING IN THE CITY CODE THAT REQUIRES A CERTAIN HEIGHT OF FENCE AROUND A POOL AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT NEIGHBORS CAN'T CLIMB IN?

DO YOU RECALL THAT? >> YES, IT WOULD BE 48 INCHES.

>> D. FOUST: OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR COULTER: THAT'S ALSO PER THE STATE BUILDING CODE.

THAT DON PHILLIPS WOULD ENFORCE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I KNOW THAT WE HAD A NUMBER OF EMAIL THAT HAD BEEN SENT TO CITY STAFF. I THINK I GOT FOUR OR FIVE OF THEM TODAY THAT I HAVE READ. MR. BROWN, DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND REVIEW THOSE NOW OR DO WE WANT TO DO THE MINUTE AND A HALF TO ALLOW OTHER PEOPLE TO PHONE IN R WRITE IN?

>> I SAY WE GO AHEAD AND READ THROUGH THEM NOW AND USE THAT IF ANYONE ELSE WANT TO CALL IN. I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE OF

PEOPLE THAT HAVE CALLED IN. >> CHAIR COULTER: WITH THAT BEING SAID, MR. BROWN WILL READ THOSE.

AND THEN WE WILL COUNT THAT TOWARDS THE MINUTE AND A HALF.

AND THAT GIVES PEOPLE TIME TO PHONE IN, TO BE ABLE TO TALK

WITH US AND EMAIL. >> JUST TO BE SAFE --

>> MR. COULTER, DUE TO THE DELAY FOR THE INTERNET VERSION SOME PEOPLE ARE WATCHING, I THINK WE NEED TO DO ONE THING AT A TIME.

SO ANY SPEAKING, ANY READING OF THESE, NEEDS TO BE SEPARATE FROM THAT MINUTE AND A HALF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE.

>> CHAIR COULTER: ALL RIGHT. >> AS LYNDA MENTIONED, WE DID RECEIVE, OR AS MR. COULTER MENTIONED, WE RECEIVED SEVERAL

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EMAILS FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.

I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR HAVING TO READ THEM ALL TO YOU. BUT WE DID RECEIVE ONE FROM A NEIGHBOR, A MR. JEREMY RUMP AT 172 EAST DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD.

AND I'LL READ IT QUICKLY. MAY THE BOARD CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING IN WITH REGARD TO THIS PROPERTY, THE AREA OF EAST IS ONE OF THE MOST GREEN SPACES IN WORTHINGTON.

THIS BUILD A SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND PRIDE AMONGST THOSE WHO RIDE THERE. IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE MRS. BLOCH BUT THE INCLUSION F A FENCE AROUND THE PERIMETER IS COUNTER TO THE COMMUNITY IDEALS WITH SHARE IN THE SECTION OF GRANVILLE ROAD. I SUBMIT MY DISAPPROVAL OF THE FENCING FOR THE PROPERTY. THE SECOND ONE WE RECEIVED IS FROM A CARLA ZADNIK. 183 FRANKLIN AVENUE, THE OTHER SIDE, THE UNIMPROVED ALLEY WAY. TO WHO IT MAY CONCERN, WE'VE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE REQUEST TO ADD A FENCE AND POOL OF THIS PROPERTY. OUR BACK YARD IS NORTHWEST OF THAT BACK YARD AND WE CAN SEE THEIR BACK YARD FROM OUR KITCHEN WINDOW. MY HUSBAND AND I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE BOARD TO DENY THIS REQUEST.

I EXPECT YOU WILL HEAR FROM AT NEIGHBOR AT 196 EAST DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD, MARE BRIAN, AND TRACY HEART WICK, 178. THIS IS THE THIRD REQUEST FOR A IMMEDIATE BACK YARD AREA. AND OUR THOUGHTS HAVE NOT CHANGED SINCE THE FIRST REQUEST. ONE OF THE FEATURERS OF THE HOUSE MY WIFE AND I PURCHASED AT 183 FRANKLIN AVENUE WAS THE EXPANSIVE PARK LIKE YARD. IT'S NICE THEY TO NOT SEE FENCES, WE DISCOVERED IN THE 2014, OUR BACK YARDS ARE THE LARGEST GREEN SPACES OUTSIDE OF CITY PARKS.

THIS IS A DISTINCTION WE'RE PROUD OF AND ONE WE WOULD LIKE KEPT IN TACT. REGARDING THE ARGUMENT THE FENCE IS NECESSARY TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF CHILDREN.

THE HEART WICKS HAVE MANAGED TO RAISE AND PROTECT TWO SONS FROM TODDLERS TO HIGH SCHOOL WITHOUT A FENCE IN THE BACK YARD.

YOUNG DAUGHTERS ARE EXPECTING A WONDERFUL CHILDHOOD ITH ACCESS TO A PRIVATE PARK LIKE OUTSIDE THEIR BACK DECK.

ALSO, ALTHOUGH THE NEW OWNER INDICATES HER APPLICATION SHE WILL SEEK OUT HER NEIGHBORS, HER OUTREACH HAS NOT BEEN EXTENDED TO US. AGAIN, THIS IS THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH. ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION IS THE BACK YARD OF 184 EAST GRANVILLE ROAD FLOODS WHEN WE GET SIGNIFICANT RAIN. SOMETIME THERE ARE DUCKS THERE.

OUR LONG ASSISTANTING OBJECTION IS UNCHANGED.

THANK YOU CARLA AND CURT. THIRD MAIL.

REGARDING THIS SITE IS FROM ANDY AND TRACY HEART WICK, 178 EAST DUBLIN-GRANVILLE. WE HAVE READ THE PROPOSAL REGARDING THE POOL AND FENCE INSTALLATION FOR OUR PROPERTY.

WE TREASURE THE OPEN GREEN AREA THAT CURRENTLY INCLUDES AND SURROUNDS OUR BACK YARD IN THE SENSE OF THE RURAL ATMOSPHERE.

IT IMPARTS ON THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORED.

IT IS A RARE COMITY AND WE'RE APPRECIATIVE OUR OUR UNIQUE SITUATION. A FENCED IN YARD WOULD ALTER HE FEEL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AESTHETICS AND NOISE.

WE BELIEVE THE OPEN GREEN SPACE ENHANCED OUR PROPERTY AND KEY SELLING FEATURE. FOR US, IT IS NOT SHARING OPEN YARDS AS INDICATED IN THE PROPOSAL.

WE RESPECT NEIGHBOR PROPERTY LINES UNLESS WE RECEIVED PRIOR PERMISSION TO ENTER. WE HAVE NO INTENTION ON HAVING ANY DISCUSSION ON PARENTING STYLES AND DO NOT FEEL IT'S RELEVANT. WE HAVE MADE OR PREFERENCE REGARDING FENCES KNOWN AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS.

IN JANUARY OF 2020, THAT WAS WITH THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY OWNER THAT WAS BEFORE YOU. WHEN THE PRIOR HOMEOWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY HAD THEIR FENCE PROPOSAL DENIED OUR POSITION WE PREFER NOT TO HAVE SIGNIFICANT FENCING ADJACENT TO OUR YARD HAS NOT CHANGED. WHILE THE APPLICATION MENTIONS WILLINGNESS TO SEEK OUT CONCERNS, THIS WAS SUBMITTED

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IMMEDIATELY, DESPITE KNOWING A FENCE PROPOSAL HAD BEEN DENIED FIVE MONTHS EARLIER. WE AGREE SHE'S WITHIN HER RIGHTS TO SUBMIT THE REQUEST TO INSTALL FEATURES, WE'RE WITHIN OUR RIGHTS THAT OUR OPPOSITION REMAIN THE SAME AS FIKE MONTHS AGO. AS A MATTER OF CORRECTION, WE WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT A FENCE AT 50 OR 70 FEET FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE WOULD NOT LINE-UP WITH THE GARAGE/PAVED AREA OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE WEST AS STATED IN THE APPLICATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. HAPPENEDY AND TRACY.

WE THEN JUMP TO ONE FROM A PROPERTY OWNER, JILL WELCH, 181 EAST GRANVILLE ROAD. TO THE REVENUE, 184 EAST GRANVILLE ROAD. I LIVED AT 181 EAST GRANVILLE SINCE JUNE OF 1998. I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE MY PERSPECTIVE ON THE PROPOSAL. WHEN WHY FIRST MOVED TO OUR HOME, OUR SON WAS A YEAR OLD AND GRANDPARENTS WERE SKEPTICAL OF THE BUSY STREET. IF WE THOUGHT A FENCE MIGHT BE NEEDED. AS WE BEGAN TO MEET OUR VERY ENGAGING NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDES, WE QUICKLY BEGAN TO VALUE MORE OF A SENSE OF COMMUNITY THAT IS A TRADITION IN THIS PART OF WORTHINGTON. ROGER OWEN, 172 EAST GRANVILLE ROAD FOR 30 YEARS, WHEN WE MET SHARED WITH US THAT HE HAD RAISED TWO CHILDREN IN THE HOUSE AND THE STREET WAS NEVER A LIABILITY. I REMEMBER HIM SAYING THE BACK YARD WAS HIS CHILDREN'S OASIS, EXTENDING EAST AND WEST THROUGH THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD AS HE NEIGHBORHOOD CHILDREN EXPLORED AND CAUGHTED THE PROPERTY. I BEGAN TO UNDERSTAND THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY SHARED BY THE CORRIDOR.

WE RAISED CHILDREN WITH FRIENDS ON THE SOUTH AND NORTH SIDE.

THE CAMARADERIE, INCLUDING MANY OTHER CHERISHED EVENTS AND EXTENDING THROUGH THE BACK YARDS.

I URGE YOU TO VOTE -- SORRY. I WRITE NOT TO URGE A VOTE FOR OR AGAINST BUT RATHER TO REMIND THOSE WHO DO NOT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR NEW TO IT TO CONSIDER AS THEY DELIBERATE THAT MANY HOMERS ON THIS ROAD VALUE NEIGHBORS LIVING IN CLOSE PR PROXIMITY. I UNDERSTAND THE DECISION INTERESTS THE BOARD. JILLCH.

THE NEIGHBORS TO THE EASTER, 196 DUBLIN-GRANVILLE.

STARTS OFF, CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

STAFF COMMENTS. BLACK FENCES CAN GENERALLY DISAPPEAR IN THE BACKGROUND. THIS STYLE CAN BE IN THE AREA.

OUR PERCEPTION OF THAT, ALTHOUGH A BLACK METAL FENCE MIGHT BE LESS INTRUSIVE THAN A PRIVACY, IT REPRESENTS A BARRIER.

ONCE THE CHARACTER BEGINNING TO SHIFT, IT BEGINNING TO TOPPLE UNTIL IT BECOMES DIFFERENT. WE'RE ASKING OUR UNFENCED NEIGHBORHOOD BE PRESERVED. STAFF COMMENTS, THE PROPOSED POOL WOULD APPEAR LIKE A HARD SCAPE, PARTIALLY BLOCKED BY GARAGES AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES. THE REQUESTED POOL WOULD BE PARTIALLY BLOCKED FROM GARAGES AND VIEWPOINT OF OUR HOUSES.

FROM THE VIEWPOINT OF OUR BACK YARDS AND PATIOSES WHERE WE SPEND THE MAJORITY OF TIME, THE POOL WOULD BE PROM MINUTE, PLACING A POOL MOVES THE LOCAL CHARACTER AWAY FROM CURRENT NATURE PARK ATMOSPHERE. ACTIVITY IN THE LOCATION WOULD HAVE A MAJOR NOISE IMPACT ON MY PATIO.

OUR OPINION REGARDING THE UNSUITABILITY OF A FENCE FOR THE BACK AREA REMAINS UNCHANGED FROM THEIR RESPONSE FOR THE REQUEST THAT RECEIVED AR02-2020, THE BOARD HEARD IN JANUARY.

WE'RE GRATEFUL THE PREVIOUS REQUESTS HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED.

PREFERENCES. POOL PLACEMENT BETWEEN THE GARAGES, SMALLER POOL OPTION WOULD PROBABLY FIT.

DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS TO THE PROPERTY LINE HERE.

INSTALLER POOLS OF 12 TO 16 FEET ARE AVAILABLE.

FENCING FOOTPRINT TO EXTEND NO FURTHER NORTH THAN THE EAST NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES GARAGE. THE NORTHWEST CORNER WITHIN THE RAIN WATER DIRECTION, ERHAPS A BETTER PLACEMENT OF THE NORTH

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SECTION TO HAVE THE FENCE WOULD BE THE NORTHWEST -- NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SHED. LEAVING UNENCUMBERED ACCESS.

ALLOWS UNGATED ACCESS TO THE BACK YARD SHOULD THE FOOTPRINT NOT INCLUDE THE PATIO. WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN COOWNERSHIP OF A FENCE. FENCING MATERIAL AND COLOR IF METAL BLACK IF WOOD, NATURAL OR STAINED RATHER THAN THE PAINTED PREFERRED. HOUSE COLOR, THE LIGHT GRAY COLOR THE PREVIOUS OWNER PAINTED THE DECK AND DECK WALL SEEMS TO BE A BETTER COMPLIMENT TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED COLOR SCHEME, WE WERE WONDERING IF THE HOUSE WAS ONLY PRIME AND THE FINAL COLOR FOR THE NEW OWNER TO DECIDE.

PERHAPS WHY THE SCREENING FOR THE AIR CONDITIONER WAS NOT INSTALLED AND TEMPORARY GUTTER HANGERS NOT RELOCATED UNDER THE SHINGLES. FENCING AND POOL REQUESTS.

CONTINUED QUESTIONS. IF STANDING RAIN WATER TO BE ADDRESSED, HOW WILL A SOLUTION FOR THE PROPERTY LIKELY CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR NEIGHBORS AND IMPACT STORM DRAIN CAPACITY, SENDING EXCESS RAIN TO THE RIVER QUICKLY EXACERBATES FLOODING.

WORTHINGTON WITNESSED RAINS. MANY ARE ADVOCATING RAIN GARDENS IN THE FACE OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND PREDICTING WEATHER IN OHIO.

THE POOL SPECKS, THE WATER TABLE CANNOT BE HIGHER THAN TWO INCHES ABOVE THE BOTTOM OF THE POOL. STANDING WATER FOR DAYS, HEAVY RAIN AFFECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE POOL.

DRAIN TILE MUST BE INSTALLED TO DRAIN AWAY FROM THE POOL.

WILL BE THERE BE DRAINS WHEN IT'S FULL.

AND THERE IS A LINK TO A PHOTO IN THE EMAIL SENT TO THE BOARD.

WHAT IS THE NOISE MITIGATION PLAN FOR POOL USE AND EQUIPMENT AND CONSIDERATION OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS? THE OWNER REQUESTED SITE IS IN LINE WITH NEIGHBORING PATIOS WHERE WE OFTEN RELAX WITH VISITING NEIGHBORS, FAMILY AND FRIENDS ENJOY NATURE. PREVIOUS OBJECTIONS TO FENCING REQUESTS HAVE NOT BEEN ABOUT CLAIMING COMMUNITY USE OF PRIVATE PROPERTY, IMPOSING THE PARENTING STYLE ON HOMEOWNERS, DENYING HOMEOWNERS THE RIGHT DEFINE THEIR PROPERTY AND OWN PERSONAL TASTE, DENYING A SMALL FENCES AREA TO ADDRESS SAFETY FOR CHILDREN OR PETS OR VARIANCE FOR 30-FOOT SET BACK, TURNING PINGREE INTO FENCES WOULD BE A DOWN GRADE.

WE EXTEND AN INVITATION TO THE NEW OWNERS IN THE BEST SENSE OF THE WORD, NOT JUST ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS.

IT IS NECESSARY TO ACCEPT OR INVITATION BUT WE ASK, IT ISN'T NECESSARY, BUT WE ASK THAT E NOT BE REJECTED WITH A KEEP-OUT FENCE, CHANGING THE ATMOSPHERE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

THE SO-CALLED TRAUMA F THESE MORE FREQUENT APPLICATIONS IS NOT EXPERIENCED BY APPLICANTS WHO BOUGHT HOUSES WITHOUT FULL DISCLOSURE OF FENCING HISTORY. AND ALSO FELT BY THOSE EXISTING RESIDENTS WHO VOICE AN OBJECTION IN HOPES IN SAVING WHAT THAW TREASURE AND THOSE WHO FEEL CONFLICTED TO DECIDE IN THE ISSUE. AND THOSE WHO REMAIN SILENT IN HOPES OF MAINTAINING CIVIL RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE NEW NEIGHBORS. AND NEIGHBORS WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE AROUND FOR THE LENGTH OF TIME AFTER MAKING THEIR MARK ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE LIKE TO THINK THE PREVIOUS DENIALS OF THE ARB FENCE REQUEST IN OUR NEXT OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW DISTRICT HAD BEEN IN RECOGNITION OF THE RARE OPEN NATURE OF OUR COLLECTIVE PROPERTIES.

THE BOARD'S DECISION FORTUNATELY OR UNFORTUNATELY IS SUBJECTIVE AND NOTED SOME ARB MEMBERS HAVE SWITCHED THEIR VOTED FROM ONE APPLICATION TO THE NEXT. THE CONSIST PREFERENCE OF THE MAJORITY OF THE LONG-TERM HOMEOWNERS IS OBVIOUS.

WE HAVE NO PERIMETER FENCING. WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE WHAT WE VALUE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SHARE OUR EXPERIENCES WITH CHALLENGES OUR OUR GRISWOLD ADDITION. IT MAY BE POSSIBLE IN A LESS INTRUSIVE SITE. MOVING THE POOL TOWARDS A PATIO, MINMAN FENCING TO AVOID PARCELING OF HE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE REQUEST THE APPLICATION BE DENIED.

AND ALL ITS SUBMITTED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. SORRY, I RAMBLED ON.

IT WAS LONGS. >> CHAIR COULTER: ANYMORE?

>> THAT WAS THE LAST ONE WE RECEIVED PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

LET ME DOUBLE CHECK TO SEE IF WE HAD ANYTHING COME IN IN THE MEANTIME. WE'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL EMAILS. AND I DON'T SEE ANYONE.

BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE PHONE THAT MAY WANT TO SPEAK. SO THESE NEED TO STAR 6 THEMSELVES IF HEY WANT TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME.

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>> CHAIR COULTER: ALL RIGHT. IF YOU COULD, ANYBODY WHO DOES WANT TO SPEAK, IF YOU COULD DO AS MR. BROWN HAD SUGGESTED AND DO STAR 6, WE WILL TAKE YOU ONE AT A TIME.

>> HI, THIS IS JULIE MILLER. >> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY.

JULIE, YOU NEED TO BE SWORN IN. >> OKAY.

>> I LIVE AT 187 EAST DUBLIN-GRANVILLE ROAD.

>> WILL YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SWEAR THAT YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL?

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR COULTER: YOU CAN START. >> OKAY.

I JUST WANTED TO START BY SAYING I LIVED HERE FOR 19 YEARS.

I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM ELLEN.

I HAD THE LEATHER OF MEETING HER TODAY.

SHE HAS NOTHING BUT THE BEST INTEREST IN OUR COMMUNITY AND STREET. SHE HAS A YOUNG FAMILY WITH HER.

SHE MOVED INTO THIS AREA BECAUSE IT'S DESIRABLE.

YOU CAN WALK AROUND. YOU CAN GO TO THE CITY.

YOU CAN LIVE INSIDE 270. IT'S VERY AMERICANA, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ABOUT. THEY MOVE IN AND CAN'T HAVE THE WHITE PICKET FENCE STRING. THEY CAN'T HAVE THE APPLE PIE AND AMERICANA. THEY MOVE IN AND WE HAVE NEIGHBORS HIDING AND THREATENING HER BECAUSE OF A FENCE.

A WHITE PICKET FENCE OR A BLACK PICKET FENCE, WHATEVER.

I AM PRO FENCE. WE NEED PEOPLE LIKE ELLEN TO MOVE INTO OUR STREET. YOUNG PEOPLE THAT WANT TO CHANGE OUR COMMUNITY FOR THE BETTER. IMPROVE IT.

MAKE IT HIPPER. MORE DESIRABLE.

PEOPLE WANT TO COME HERE, HAVE A BEER AND WALK AROUND.

I WANT TO LIVE HERE TOO? MY NEIGHBORS DON'T LIKE TO THE CHANGE. THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS GROW INTO SOMETHING AMAZING.

WE'RE LUCKY TO LIVE INSIDE 270 WITH THIS TOWN WE'RE TAKING CARE OF. YET WE'RE SCARING NEW PEOPLE AWAY OVER A FENCE. AND WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT WE LIVE ON ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS STREETS.

THERE IS IN WORTHINGTON. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TALKING JUST A CAR. WE'RE TALKING SEMIS.

WE'RE TALKING SPEEDERS. WE'RE RIGHT IN BETWEEN 71 AND 315. IT IS DANGEROUS ERRITORY.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY ANYONE WOULD BE AGAINST A FENCE.

THEY CHOOSE GRASS OVER THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE.

SHE JUST WANT TO KEEP HER FAMILY SAFE FROM THE ROAD.

AND IT'S LUCKY NOBODY ELSE'S CHILDREN HAVE DIED ON IT.

THEY ARE REALLY, REALLY LUCKY. SO YES, I TOTALLY APPROVE THIS FENCE 150%. I APPROVE WHATEVER SHE DOES INSIDE THE FENCE, 150%. SHE IS GOING TO MAKE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MORE DESIRABLE, INCREASE OUR PROPERTY VALUES.

ISN'T THAT WHAT E ALL WANT? TO LIVE IN A SAFE, HIP, DESIRABLE COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHAT ELLEN IS BRINGING TO US. AND INSTEAD OF WELCOMING HER, EVERYONE IS SCARED OF CHANGE. EVERYONE.

A FENCE WILL NOT CHANGE YOUR YARD.

IT WON'T CHANGE YOU SITTING OUTSIDE HAVING DRINKING ON YOUR PATIO. YOU CAN STILL BE FRIENDS WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR. I MEAN, I JUST DON'T GET IT.

AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER CALLED IN BECAUSE I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE HOW MY NEIGHBORS HAVE TREATED NEW COMERS.

IT'S EMBARRASSING. AND IT MAKES WORTHINGTON A FRAUD. SO YES, I TOTALLY APPROVE ON THIS. AND WHAT ELLEN DOES WITH HER

HOME. >> CHAIR COULTER: ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> CHAIR COULTER: IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WAS ON THE LINE? IF THERE ARE, IF YOU COULD DO STAR 6 PLEASE. AND THEN STATE YOUR NAME AND MRS. BITAR WILL SWEAR YOU IN. MR. BROWN, COULD YOU TELL IF

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ANYBODY IS ON THE LINE? >> THERE IS.

THERE IS ONE PHONE NUMBER I DO NOT RECOGNIZE ON HERE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAYBE IS SOMEONE.

>> THIS IS CARLA ZADNIK. >> CHAIR COULTER: YOU WANT TO

ADDRESS THIS APPLICATION? >> I'M SORRY?

>> CHAIR COULTER: DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS APPLICATION?

>> YES, PLEASE. BRIEFLY.

>> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY. LYNDA, COULD YOU PLEASE SWEAR

HER IN? >> PLEASE RAIS RAISE YOUR RIGHT.

DO YOU WEAR YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL?

>> I DO. >> THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY. >> THANK YOU.

THANKSSO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. I WANT TO CORRECT A STATEMENT MADE BY STAFF AT THE VERY BEGINNING.

THAT WAS SOMETHING REMARKED AT THE BACK, THIS BACK AREA DOESN'T REALLY FEEL THAT OPEN OR THAT GREEN.

AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A MISCHARACTERIZATION OF IT.

IT REALLY DOES FEEL TO THOSE OF US WHO LIVE HERE, LIKE A PARK.

I'M AFRAID I DISAGREE, I DON'T THINK A FENCE IS HIP.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE RESISTANT TO CHANGE.

I THINK WE APPRECIATE THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS AREA THAT WE HAVE AND HOW RARE IT IS IN OUR WORLD TO NOT TO MENTION WORTHINGTON TODAY. SO THESE ARE A COUPLE OF CLARIFYING POINTS I WANTED TO MAKE.

THANK YOU. >> CHAIR COULTER: ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO IS WAITING TO SPEAK TO THIS APPLICATION?

>> WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE ELSE AT THIS TIME.

>> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY. BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND LET'S

HEAR WHAT YOUR COMMENTS ARE. >> VICE-CHAIR REIS: MIKE, THIS IS TOM REIS. I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST, APOLOGIZE TO THE PREVIOUS OWNER FOR VOTING, NO, THE LAST TIME.

I'VE GOTTEN MY SENSES BACK. AND I THINK THIS GAL HAS ALL THE RIGHT INTENTION AND HAS THE RIGHT TO HAVE A FENCE IN HER YARD. IT'S HER PROPERTY.

I THINK THE BLACK METAL FENCE 4T FOLLOWS THE GUIDELINES.

AND IT WOULD FOLLOW ANY KIND OF CODE REQUIREMENTS SHOULD SHE BUILD A POOL AT A LATER DATE. WHEN I'M CALLED TO VOTE ON THIS,

I WILL VOTE YES. >> SECRETARY HOLCOMBE: MR. CHAIR , THIS IS KATHY HOLCOMBE. I THINK THE HOMEOWNER HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF DOING THE RESEARCH ON THIS PROPERTY.

I THINK THE BLACK METAL FENCE IS A GOOD RATHER THAN O THE PICKET FENCE. I THINK THAT THE FACT SHE'S NOT GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE END OF THE PROPERTY WILL HELP, I THINK IT'S WHAT WE ASKED THAT APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT IN JANUARY COULD THEY DO PART OF THAT.

SO I THINK I'M STILL ON THE SAME LEVEL OF WANTING JUST PARTIALLY FENCED. I LOVE THE FACT THAT SHE'S THINKING ABOUT RAIN GARDENS. I WOULD BE PROBABLY A LITTLE AGAINST THE POOL. BUT THE RAIN GARDENS WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD IDEA. AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT OUR PROPERTY OWNERSHIP ON THIS.

I'M FOR THE FENCE. >> E. HOFMANN: MS. BITAR, IT'S ED HOFFMAN. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PHOTO FACING EAST, FOR ME? THAT ONE.

WHERE IS THAT ON THE PLAN AS IT RELATE TODAY THE MARK UPS?

>> IF YOU CAN SEE THE WHITE LINE, THAT IS THE OUTLINE OF THE POOL. SO THAT WOULD BE WHERE THE POOL WAS SET ON THAT SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED.

>> E. HOFMANN: SORRY -- >> IN THIS LOCATION HERE.

>> E. HOFMANN: SO THERE IS A FENCE THAT COMES OFF THE NEIGHBOR GARAGE. IS IT APPROXIMATELY WHERE THE 7S

PLAN WE'RE LOOKING AT? >> YES.

THERE ARE SECTIONS OF SPLIT RAIL FENCE AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AROUND THE REAR YARD OF THIS PROPERTY.

>> E. HOFMANN: WHAT I'M TRYING TO ET THAT IS THAT I THINK -- I MEAN, I THINK PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO, TO AN EXTENT, DO

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SOMETHING TO THEIR OWN PROPERTY. I THINK THIS APPLICANT IS SHOWING A TON OF COMPROMISE AND OPTIONS.

I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S VIEW. I LIVE VERY MUCH IN THIS CONDITION ON OXFORD STREET FOR ALL THOSE NEIGHBORS WHERE WE HAVE, I THINK, FOUR YARDS, MUCH NARROWER AND MORE BOWLING ALLEY LIKE, THAT ARE UNADULTERRED WITH FENCING.

WE'RE DREADING THE DAY A HOME MAY SELL AND SOMEBODY MAY RUN A FENCE. THANKFULLY IT'S NOT HAPPENED YET. I HOPE IF SOMEBODY WANT TO PUT SOMETHING IN, THEY WOULD LISTEN TO US AS WELL.

I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE FOR A FENCE TO BE CAPTURED PERHAPS TOWARDS THE EDGE OF THAT TREE THAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE ON THE FACING EAST, WHICH GUESS IS MORE LIKE 75 OR 80 FEET OFF THE BACK AREA. WHICH WOULD STILL GIVE ROOM FOR THE POOL IF YOU SO CHOSE TO DO THAT.

IF I'M ON THE BOARD AND YOU COME BACK FOR THAT, I THINK I WILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE POOL, JUST IN GENERAL.

THAT'S FOR ANOTHER CONVERSATION. BUT FOR THE FENCE, I THINK I CAN GET MY HEAD WRAPPED AROUND THE IDEA OF THE BLACK FENCE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY HAS A FAIR AMOUNT OF AIR AND IF IT WERE LOCATED NOT FAR OFF OF THE CORNER FACING EAST, I THINK I COULD

FIND APPROVAL FOR IT. >> CHAIR COULTER: ANY OTHER

BOARD MEMBERS? >> D. FOUST: THIS IS DAVE FOUST.

MR. CHAIRMAN, A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

THE TIME I SPENT THINKING ABOUT THIS THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS IN WORTHINGTON. A LOT OF DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, DIFFERENT LOTS, SOME COMMERCIAL SOME ABUT COMMERCIAL, SOME DON'T. I WANT TO BE CLEAR WHAT IS APPROPRIATE IN ONE AREA OR YARD, MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE EVERYWHERE ELSE IN WORTHINGTON. I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE MORE AND MORE I THINK WE TEND TO SEE PEOPLE USING EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED AS HEY, SOMEBODY DID IT DOWN THE STREET FROM ME. SO I SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT HERE. THIS IS PARTICULARLY FROM THE VIEWPOINT OF THE NEIGHBORS, KIND OF A UNIQUE AREA.

AND THE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS, I'VE GOT A PRETTY STRONG ECORD OF THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS OF STANDING UP FOR NEIGHBORS BECAUSE WHEN YOU MOVE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU ARE TAKING TO SOME DEGREE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THE WAY IT IS.

YOU ARE ALSO ACCEPTING, TO SOME DEGREE, WHAT YOUR NEIGHBORS HAVE DONE WITH THEIR YARDS. AND I AM A STRONG BELIEVER WE NEED TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE NEIGHBORS AND WHAT THEIR AREA OR COMMUNITY IS LIKE. AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO BALANCE THAT WITH SOMEBODY'S PERSONAL PROPERTY RIGHTS.

AND I THINK AS I LOOK AT THIS AREA, I TEND TO SIDE MORE WITH THE NEIGHBORS THAN WITH THE APPLICANT.

MAYBE WHEN I LOOK AT THE AERIAL PHOTOS, IF YOU ARE GOING TO FENCE PART OF THE BACK YARD AND THEY ARE NARROW LOTS SO HARD TO WORK WITH. IF YOU WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GARAGE TO THE EAST IS BACK ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT.

AND I THINK THAT IT KIND OF SETS A LINE DOWN THROUGHOUT THE MIDDLE OF THOSE LOTS THAT IS SORT OF A DEVELOPMENT AREA WITH SOMEWHAT UNDEVELOPED AREA BEHIND IT.

SO I THINK I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH SOMETHING THAT REALLY DIDN'T GO MUCH BEYOND THE NEIGHBORING GARAGE.

THAT KIND OF HOLDS EVERYTHING IN TOGETHER.

I THINK TO TAKE ONE LOT IN THAT WHOLE AS AS YOU SEE IT THERE AND EXTEND BACK AS CLOSE AS YOU LEGALLY CAN, WHICH IS 30 FEET, DEFINITELY CHANGES THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE RESPECT FOR THE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE BEEN THERE A WHILE.

AND FOR HAT THEY HAVE WORKED WITH AND DEVELOPED AND MADE

THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD. >> CHAIR COULTER: THIS IS MIKE COULTER. QUESTION FOR MR. FOUST.

IF I UNDERSTOOD YOUR LAST COUPLE OF STATEMENTS, IF THE FENCE WERE NOT AS FAR BACK AS THEY ARE BEING PROPOSED, THIS WOULD BE CLOSER TO THE HOUSE, IT MIGHT BECOME MORE REASONABLE OR MORE

ACCEPTABLE? >> D. FOUST: I THINK IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO ME IF IT DIDN'T EXTEND BEYOND THE NORTH END OF THE GARAGE TO THE EAST. I SEE THAT AS KIND OF A CONSTRUCTION LINE DOWN THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THAT BLOCK.

>> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS? >> VICE-CHAIR REIS: YES, MIKE.

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THIS IS TOM REIS. I CAN SEE DAVE'S VIEW ON THIS.

BUT CONTEND, WHETHER THE IT'S PROMOTE OR NOT, THAT'S KIND OF AN OPINION OF WHAT'S APPROPRIATE AND WHAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THE GAL THAT SPOKE IN FAVOR OF THIS KIND OF HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. THIS YOUNG LADY PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY. IT'S HER PROPERTY.

I THINK SHE HAS HE RIGHT TO BUILD THE FENCE THAT'S WITHIN THE GUIDELINES IN THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY.

I THINK THAT -- I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY APPROVE THIS IF MAYBE WE GOT HER BACK ON AND SEE IF THERE IS A WAY WE COULD COMPROMISE ON THE EXTENT OF THE FENCE.

I DON'T THINK IT FITS HER NEEDS TO PUT IT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE EXISTING GARAGE. THERE IS PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THAT EXISTING GARAGE AND THE 30-FOOT SETBACK IS. BUT WHAT WOULD IT BE, 60 FEET? I DON'T KNOW. BUT I THINK IF WE WERE TO ALLOW HER TO HAVE THE FENCE EXTEND BEYOND THAT GARAGE CORNER, SAY YOU KNOW, A THIRD OF THE WAY BACK TOWARDS THE SETBACK, THAT MIGHT BE AMENABLE FOR HER. AND WOULD STILL MEET HER REQUIREMENTS TO BUILD A POOL LATER IF SHE SO DESIRES.

AND ALSO, BE SOMEWHAT COMPROMISING TO THE ADJACENT

RESIDENTS. >> THIS IMAGE SHOWS THIS PURPLE LINE, WHICH WOULD BE 70 FEET FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.

>> VICE-CHAIR REIS: OKAY, THIS TOM REIS AGAIN.

IF THAT'S 70 FEET IF SHE COULD HAVE HER FENCE BACK TO THAT PURPLE LINE, WHAT IS THAT TO THE NORTH? THAT PROBABLY GIVES HER A FAIRLY DESCENT SPACE TO BUILD THE POOL, HAVE HER FENCE AND I THINK IT'S A FAIR COMPROMISE TO THOSE WHO DON'T WANT A FENCE AT ALL. AND WOULD GIVE HER ENOUGH ROOM I THINK FOR A POOL AND A FENCED-IN AREA FOR HER CHILDREN.

>> R. SCHUSTER: MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS RICK SCHUSTER.

THIS TOO HAS BEEN A STRUGGLE FOR ME.

TRYING TO ALANCE PERSONAL PROPERTY RIGHTS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IN THINKING ABOUT THIS, I GUESS I WENT BACK TO SOME OF THE CODE. AND IN 117705, IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT ARE OUR STANDARDS OF REVIEW.

AND THE BOARD SHALL DETERMINE THE APPLICATION PROMOTES IMPORTANTLY, PRESERVES, AND ENHANCES THE HISTORICAL VILLAGE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY AND WOULD NOT BE AT VARIANCE WITH EXISTING STRUCTURES WITHIN THAT PORTION OF THE DISTRICT.

I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE PERHAPS SIMILAR TO WHAT MR. HOFMANN AND FOUST TALKED ABOUT, I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH A FENCE THAT WAS CLOSER IN AND STILL LEFT FOUR OF THOSE -- FOR THOSE NEIGHBORS, THE AREA THAT ONE MOVED INTO, TO HAVE A FAIR DEGREE OF THAT OPEN SPACE AND YET STILL RESPECTING THE PROPERTY OWNER'S DESIRE TO HAVE A FENCE.

SO I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE IF THE FENCE WERE CLOSER IN THAN THE

APPLICATION PROPOSES. >> MR. SCHUSTER, CAN I JUST

CLARIFY ONE THING? >> R. SCHUSTER: SURE.

>> WHAT YOU CAN'T SEE IN THIS AERIAL PHOTO BECAUSE OF THE TIMING IT WAS TAKEN IS THE PRIOR HOMEOWNERS ADDED A SHED BEHIND HIGH -- MY GARAGE. SO BRINGING THAT PURPLE LINE BACK FURTHER, THERE IS A SHED THAT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO BE ACCESSED. IT WOULD BE REALLY CHALLENGING AND UNHELPFUL TO HAVE THE FENCE IN THAT MUCH CLOSER THAN 70 FEET. WHICH IS PART OF THE REASON WHY THAT'S WHAT I PROPOSED AS KIND OF THE MINIMUM.

WHEN I WENT OUT AND MEASURED AND LOOKING AT IT, I AGREE I WAS TRYING TO FIND THAT LINE, THAT VISUALLY MADE SENSE WITH HE EXISTING ARCHITECTURE AND STRUCTURES ON THE OTHER LAWNS.

BUT WITH THIS SHED BEHIND MY GARAGE, COMING BACK IN LINE WITH THE GARAGE ON THE EAST SIDE OR EVEN WITH THEIR RAILS, IT WAS JUST TOO TIGHT. WHAT I'VE PREPARED AT HE 70-FEET LINE IS JUST PAST THEIR EXISTING SPLIT RAIL FENCE.

BUT I WAS TRYING TO BE VISUALLY IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING

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STRUCTURES THAT WERE THERE. >> R. SCHUSTER: OKAY.

WHERE IS THE ENTRANCE DO THAT SHED?

>> UNFORTUNATELY, ON THE BACK OF THE SHED.

SO FACING THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.

AND I ACTUALLY HAD A CONTRACTOR COME OUT TO SEE IF I COULD MOVE IT. OR FIX IT.

BUT THAT IS NOT AN OPTION BASED ON HOW IT'S PUT IT IN.

IT WOULD BE A VERY BIG PRODUCTION.

>> MS. BITAR, CAN YOU GOING TO PAGE 11, THE FACING WEST VIEW? I THINK THAT'S THE SHED. THAT.

>> YEAH, THAT'S THE SHED. YEAH.

THERE. >> AND I'M GUESSING, AND MS. BITAR, MAYBE YOU TOOK THESE PHOTOS?

>> I DID NOT TAKE THIS PARTICULAR ONE.

BUT THEY ARE INTERMIXED. >> I'M TRYING TO GET A GRIP.

GO ACK TO ONE MORE PAGE FACING EAST.

THIS IS WHAT I'M STUCK ON. KEEP GOING, SORRY.

THAT ONE. I'M STUCK ON MR. FOUST HAD RECOMMENDED THE FENCE MOVE ALL THE WAY TO THE GARAGE, WHICH WOULD BE ON THE RIGHT THERE. I THINK I'M OKAY WITH THE FENCE EXISTING IN LINE WITH THE TREE OR SLIGHTLY OFF OF IT.

IT'S A ISUAL BARRIER AND YOU CAN U-YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PROCEED THAT AND LIKELY ACROSS FROM THE OTHER, MAYBE A SLIGHT BIT. THAT MIGHT REQUIRE IF YOU CAME BACK TO DO YOUR POOL AT THE SAME SIZE, FOR ME PERSONALLY, BY THE WAY, I KNOW I'M GOING TO HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT.

FOR A LATER TIME. TO GIVE YOU WARNING.

I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE DONE YOUR RESEARCH AND THE WAY YOU APPROACHED IT. YOU ARE DOING IT JUST RIGHT.

I COULD BE OKAY WITH IT BEING A FOOT OR TWO OFF.

I THINK THAT GIVES PLENTY OF ROOM FOR THE SHED AND POOL IF YOU DECIDE TO DO IT. AND I THINK IT HELPS MINIMIZE THE VIEW LINES AND SENSE OF INTRUSION ON THE OPEN SPACE.

MR. FOUST, I THINK THIS ZONE HELPWISE THAT, WITH YOUR KIND OF NO-BUILD ZONE. I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT BUT I THINK IT'S OKAY TO ALLOW THE FENCE OUT A BIT OFF THE BACK OF

THE GARAGE BECAUSE OF THIS. >> D. FOUST: YEAH, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. I'M NOT SURE I'M SOLD ON MOVING IT THAT FAR BACK, BUT YES. I SEE WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM.

>> CHAIR COULTER: ALL RIGHT. THIS IS MIKE COULTER.

BASED ON WHAT EVERYBODY HAS BEEN SAYING AND WHERE THEY THINK THE OPTIMAL LOCATION OF THE FENCE MIGHT BE, I TEND TO AGREE WITH MR. HOFMANN. I THINK THE CENTRAL PLACE AT THAT LINE OFF A FOOT OR TWO, TO THE NORTH OR SOUTH OF THAT TREE WHERE THE CURSOR WAS, I CAN WORK WITH THAT.

THAT LEAVES THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE LINES IN THE BACK OPEN.

IT KEEPS IT IN LINE WITH THAT EXISTING SPLIT RAIL FENCE.

AND I COULD SUPPORT THAT. AND AGAIN, WE'LL DEAL WITH THE POOL AT A SEPARATE MEETING WHEN WE GET DOWN THE ROAD WITH THAT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS THAT ANYBODY HAS FOR MR. BROWN, IS THERE ANYBODY WAITING TO TALK ON THE PHONE OR

ANY EMAILS SENT IN? >> WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ADDITIONAL EMAILS AND/OR CALLS. I THINK ONCE WE START THE MINUTE AND A HALF CLOCK, WE'LL SEE IF WE GET ADDITIONAL CALLS.

>> CHAIR COULTER: ALL RIGHT. BOARD MEMBERS, ANYMORE COMMENTS?

>> S. HINZ: YES, THIS IS SUSAN HINZ.

I AGREE WITH MR. HOFMANN HAS BEEN SAYING ABOUT THE COMPROMISE THIS HOMEOWNER IS MAKING. AND I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THE EXISTING FENCE OR TREE LINE. AND I HOPE THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS WILL SEE THE COMPROMISE AND NOT, YOU KNOW, HOLD IT AGAINST YOUR I SUPPOSE IN THE FUTURE. BECAUSE I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT RAISING YOUNG CHILDREN RIGHT NOW IS NOT THE SAME AS RAISING THEM 20 YEARS AGO. I HOPE THE COMPROMISE GIVES BOTH OR ALL OF YOU SOMETHING. I THINK IT'S KIND OF A PARENT THAT THE BACK YARDS IN THIS AREA ARE THE FRONT YARDS.

IT'S KIND OF A COMMUNITY BASED ON THE BACK.

AND I THINK IF YOU CAN STILL HAVE THOSE BLOCK PARTIES AND EVERYTHING IN THE YARDS, IT WOULD BE A GREAT AREA FOR MANY

YEARS TO COME. >> CHAIR COULTER: THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? IF NOT, I WILL START THE CLOCK.

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FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAYBE LISTENING OR WATCHING ONLINE, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS YOU CAN EMAIL THOSE TO PLANNING@WORTHINGTON .ORG. OR YOU CAN CALL IN AT 1-56 1-567-249-003 AND ENTER CONFERENCE I.D.347 008 362 POUNDS AND HIT STAR 6 KEY SO YOU CAN BE UNMUTED. OKAY, WE'VE REACHED A MINUTE AND 30 SECOND POINT. MR. BROWN, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY

CALLS OR EMAILS? >> WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ADDITIONAL CALLED AND/OR EMAILS AT THIS TIME.

>> CHAIR COULTER: BOARD MEMBERS, ANY DDITIONAL COMMENTS? IF NOT, COULD I PLEASE HAVE A MOTION?

MR. REIS? >> VICE-CHAIR REIS: MR. CHAIR, THIS IS TOM REIS. MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THE REQUEST BY ELLEN BLOCH FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A BLACK METAL FENCE AS SHOWN IN THE APPLICATION AT 48 INCHES IN HEIGHT AND THAT IT EXTEND TO THE IN ORDER AND ALIGN WITH THE NORTH MOST PORTION OF THE NEIGHBOR'S SPLIT RAIL FENCE WHOSE PROPERTY IS TO THE EAST. AND THE CHANGE, THE HOUSE COLOR AT 184 EAST GRANVILLE ROAD AR30-2020.

DRAWINGS, AR30-2020, DATED MAY 15, 2020, BE APPROVED BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSION IN THE STAFF MEMO AND

PRESENTED AT THE MEETING. >> CHAIR COULTER: COULD I HAVE A

SECOND PLEASE? >> E. HOFMANN: MR. HOFMANN --

>> R. SCHUSTER: SECOND. >> CHAIR COULTER: MOVED Y MR. REIS, BY MR. SCHUSTER. CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?

>> SECRETARY HOLCOMBE: YES. >> E. HOFMANN: YES.

>> D. FOUST: NO. >> R. SCHUSTER: YES.

>> VICE-CHAIR REIS: YES. >> CHAIR COULTER: YES.

IT'S PASSED AS AMENDED. THANK YOU.

THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF OUR BUSINESS FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD THIS EVENING. WE'LL NOW MOVE INTO THE

[C. Municipal Planning Commission]

MUNICIPAL PLANNING COMMISSION. WE HAVE ONE ITEM.

IT'S AN APPLICATION ADP02-2020. IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. I IT'S FOR NEW SIGNAGE AT 535 LAKEVIEW PLAZA. MRS. BITAR?

>> THE BUSINESS GOING IN HERE PLAY: CBUS HAS BEEN APPROVED BY YOU FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE SITE AND FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A RECREATIONAL FACILITY.

NOW, THEY INTEND TO PUT SIGNAGE ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT IS VISIBLE FROM I-270. THE PLAN IS TO REMOVE THE ROADRUNNER SIGN THAT IS HERE. THE BANNERS WOULD ALSO GO.

AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO INSTALL THIS PLAY: CBUS SIGN, WHICH IS 900 SQUARE FEET IN AREA. THAT S THE -- I'M SORRY, 600 SQUARE FEET IN AREA. IT'S THE SAME AREA AS THE ROADRUNNER RETAIL STORE SIGN THAT WAS APPROVED BEFORE.

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IT'S JUST HIGHER THAN HORTER. THEY WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD PLAY: CBUS TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

SO THIS IS THE ALSO SEEN FROM I-270 AS PEOPLE ARE DRIVING WEST ON THE ROAD. A STRIPE IS PLANNED AS PART OF THIS. AND THEY HAVE ALREADY INSTALLED WINDOWS AND NEW DOORS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

THEY ALSO HAVE, I BELIEVE, ALREADY PLANTED THESE TREES OR CLOSE TO DOING THAT. I HAVE SOME PICTURES.

WE'RE ASSUMING IN THIS PROPOSAL THAT THIS SIGN THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE THE SOUTH SIDE WOULD BE REMOVED.

AND THIS IS CRITICAL TO THIS PROPOSAL WORKING AND BEING APPROVED. THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL ROADRUNNER SIGN THAT IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

BUT IT IS MUCH FURTHER TO THE NORTH NEARER TO THEIR DOOR.

AND IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT SIGN WILL REMAIN.

SO A VARIANCE WILL BE NEEDED FOR A SECOND SIGN FOR PLAY: CBUS, THE SIGN THAT WOULD BE TOWARD THE FRONT IN THIS GABLE AREA.

SO IT WOULD NEED TO GO ONTO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

>> CHAIR COULTER: ALL RIGHT. DO WE AVE THE APPLICANT THIS

EVENING? >> YES.

THIS IS GREG CARLLAND. >> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY.

COULD YOU GIVE YOUR ADDRESS, GREG, AND THEN WE CAN GET YOU

SWORN IN. >> SURE.

GREG, REPRESENTING PLAY: CBUS. AS IT PERTAINS TO 535 LAKEVIEW

PLAZA BOULEVARD. >> WILL YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR THAT YOUR TESTIMONY

THIS EVENING WILL BE TRUTHFUL? >> YES, I DO.

>> THANK YOU. >> CHAIR COULTER: THANKS FOR

HANGING IN THERE WITH US. >> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> CHAIR COULTER: ADD TO MRS. BITAR'S PRESENTATION?

>> I'LL JUST REITERATE ONE POINT I THINK THAT SHE WAS MAKING AT THE BEGINNING. THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE TWO SIGNS THAT WE HAVE AS PROPOSED WOULD BE JUST UNDER 800 SQUARE FEET IN THEIR TOTAL, 795 SQUARE FEET, JUST UNDER 600 FOR THE SOUTH SIDE FACING. AND APPROXIMATELY 200 FOR THE EAST SIDE FACING. AND THAT WOULD BE THE SIDE CLOSEST TO THE LAKE THERE. OUTSIDE OF THAT, I APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION. AND MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK THROUGH SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THEY MAY COME UP.

>> CHAIR COULTER: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

COMMISSION MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

>> D. FOUST: THIS IS DAVE FOUST. JUST A HISTORIC COMMENT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CURRENT BOARD EMBERS WERE HERE WHEN THE ROADRUNNERS SIGN WAS APPROVED. BUT THE DISCUSSION WE HAD AT THAT TIME THE SIGNAGE WAS MUCH LARGER THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN WORTHINGTON. BUT THE DISCUSSION ALSO INCLUDED THE FACT THIS IS A UNIQUE LOCATION.

IT'S CERTAINLY NOT ON HIGH STREET.

IT'S ACROSS THE THE FREEWAY, IT'S A FREEWAY VIEWED BUILDING.

AND THAT SIGNAGE OF THIS SIZE AT THAT TIME WAS DEEMED TO BE PROMOTE FOR A BUILDING THIS SIZE IN THIS LOCATION.

SO THAT'S PART OF HOW WE GOT TO THE POINT OF THE ROADRUNNER SIGN. AND I VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE ROADRUNNER SIGN AT THAT TIME. I THINK THE PLAY: CBUS SIGNAGE IS COMPARABLE TO WHAT WE APPROVED ALREADY ON THAT

BUILDING. >> MR. CHAIR, IT'S EDHOFMANN.

I AGREE, THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT. AND I LIKE THE STRIPE AND THE FACT IT WRAPS THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING.

I THINK IT HELPING THE BUILDING. THE BUILDING HAS NOW FRIENDS.

IT IS WHAT IT IS. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD

IMPROVEMENT. >> CHAIR COULTER: THANK YOU.

I AGREE WITH ALL OF THE COMMENTS.

I ACTUALLY LIKE THESE NEW SIGNS MUCH BETTER THAN THE EXISTING SIGNS THAT ARE OUT THERE TODAY. I THINK THIS IS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION OR BOARD MEMBERS? ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL START THE CLOCK. SO THAT ANYBODY WHO WANT TO CALL IN OR EMAIL IN. CAN YOU PUT THAT SLIDE UP,

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PLEASE? >> MR. COULTER, AS LYNDA MENTIONED, THIS NEEDS TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR VARIANCE.

IT IS TENTATIVELY CHEDULED TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL AT THEIR THIRD MEETING IN JUNE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE 15TH, YEAH, IT'S JUNE 15TH. SO IT WILL GO ONTO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AT THAT JUNE 15TH COUNCIL MEETING.

>> CHAIR COULTER: THANK YOU FOR REMINDING US OF THAT.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAYBE LISTENING IN OR WATCHING, YOU CAN EMAIL COMMENTS TO PLANNING@WORTHINGTON.ORG OR YOU CAN CALL 1-ARE 567-249-0063. AND ENTER CONFERENCE I.D. NUMBER 347 08 362 AND OUND. ONCE CONNECTED YOU NEED TO HIT STAR 6 SO YOU CAN BE UNMUTED. MR. BROWN, ANY EMAILS OR PHONE

CALLS? >> NO, SIR, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY EMAIL AND/OR PHONE CALLS AT THIS TIME.

>> CHAIR COULTER: OKAY. ANYMORE COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS OR BOARD MEMBERS? OKAY, BEFORE I CALL FOR A MOTION, I WILL REMIND EVERYBODY AS MR. BROWN STATED THIS WILL NEED TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL IF WE AGREE AS REQUESTED FOR A VARIANCE. IF THERE IS NO OTHER COMMENTS,

COULD I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? >> D. FOUST: MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS MR. FOUST. I MOVE THE REQUEST BY PLAY: CBUS TO AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR 535 LAKEVIEW PLAZA BOULEVARD BY ADDING SIGNS CASE NUMBER ADP02-2020, DRAWINGS ADP02-2020, DATED APRIL 9, 2020, BE RECOMMENDED TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. BASED ON THE PLANNING GOALS OF THE CITY, AS REFERENCED IN THE LAND USE PLANS AND FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS IN THE STAFF MEMO AND PRESENTED AT THE

MEETING. >> CHAIR COULTER: THANK YOU.

DO I HAVE -- WHO SECONDED, PLEASE?

>> E. HOFMANN: MR. HOFMANN. >> CHAIR COULTER: THANK YOU.

IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MR. FOUST. SECONDED BY MR. HOFMANN.

CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? >>

>> VICE-CHAIR REIS: YES. >> SECRETARY HOLCOMBE: YES.

>> E. HOFMANN: YES. >> D. FOUST: YES.

>> CHAIR COULTER: YES. IT IS PASSED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. >> THANK YOU, ALL, AS WELL.

>> CHAIR COULTER: THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS FOR THE MUNICIPAL PLANNING COMMISSION. MR. BROWN OR MRS. BITAR, IS

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THERE ANYTHING OTHER WE NEED TO REVIEW THIS EVENING?

>> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR YOU.

UNLESS YOU HAVE NY QUESTIONS FOR US.

I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE WITH GETTING IT STARTED.

>> CHAIR COULTER: MRS. BITAR? ANYBODY ELSE? IF NOT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN?

>> MR. COULTER, WOULD YOU INDULGE ME FOR A MOMENT?

>> CHAIR COULTER: ABSOLUTELY. WE'LL GIVE YOU TWO.

>> HOPEFULLY, WON'T TAKE ME QUITE THAT LONG.

THE ONLY GOOD FENCES MAKE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

I WONDER IF I CAN PUT A NOTION IN HIS HEAD.

WHY DO MAKE GOOD NEIGHBORS? IS IT WHEN THERE RE COWS, THERE ARE NO COWS. I ASK TO KNOW, IS I WALLING IN OR WALLING OUT. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR COULTER: WE APPRECIATE THAT FROM THE MAN WHO LOVES TO NOT HAVE FENCES. DO I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE?

>> SO MOVED. >> CHAIR COULTER: ALL THOSE IN F AVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. HAVE A GOOD COUPLE OF WEEKS.

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